Indiana and it's reciprocity with other states.

[kludge]

I'll say this first... I believe every adult should be able to carry and handgun without a license... that said here are a couple ideas...

1. Pay a $20 fee, like a gun dealer would pay, ($100 for lifetime) at the license branch and they run a NICS. If you pass you get a "H" or "H/L" endorsement on your license ("H" for handgun like the "M" endorsement for motorcycle riders). This is your "Indiana" handgun license. Current reciprocity applies. It also allows you to bypass the Indiana background check for purchases, just like the current pink license. As long as you keep your "H/L" current (or renew the "H" with another $20) and aren't ordered by a judge to reliquish it, you keep it on your drivers license (there would be a way in the license branch system to check for privileges that have been revoked). It also allows private FTF sales people to have a warm fuzzy about who they sell to. It might possibly get people to shut up about the so-called "gun show loophole." If the background check required by the State Police is more in depth than a NICS, then you may have to take your pink paper to the license branch, it might have a transaction code on it or something that they can look up on their system and verify it isn't a forged document.

2. Require the people at the License branch to ask every person who renews if they want to add the "H" endorsement to their license. This generates revenue after all. (I can dream.)

2. Those who desire maximum reciprocity take a safety and proficiency class and get a separate license. This shows they have gone to the next step in their desire to carry a handgun and have the willingness to show that they are safe, know how to use their gun, and are aware of the laws and consequences of using their gun. (I think this is what other states who do not give us reciprocity are worried about.)

 

[DustinG]

I'm sorry, I cannot support anymore restrictions being placed upon our 2nd amendment rights, they are not to be "infringed." An 8 hour course, that is rediculous, if people want to learn, if they don't already know, they can pay for it privately!

Infringe means place any restrictions upon the right to bare arms, which would include the classes, not honoring other states' permits, and the permits themselves that are required. Instead of working with the government that has infringed upon our God given rights, we need to band together so that the constitution is the supereme law of the land again!

 

[hoosiertriangle]

Are you advocating that mentally ill and violent felons be permitted to exercise their God given rights?

I'm sorry, I cannot support anymore restrictions being placed upon our 2nd amendment rights, they are not to be "infringed." An 8 hour course, that is rediculous, if people want to learn, if they don't already know, they can pay for it privately!

Infringe means place any restrictions upon the right to bare arms, which would include the classes, not honoring other states' permits, and the permits themselves that are required. Instead of working with the government that has infringed upon our God given rights, we need to band together so that the constitution is the supereme law of the land again!

 

[Santee]

There should be no infringements at all, just as the amendment was written. Hell, I used to go hunting, alone, when I was 11 or 12 years old, maybe younger, too damn old to remember.

The right takes care of itself. An armed society, is a polite society. If a felon is released from prison then they also should be able to protect themselves. But woe to them if they continue in their wanton ways, for they will meet Mr. or Mrs. Wrong and end up in the ground, or they will be back in prison.

Same for the mentally ill, if they are judged to be safe enough to be in society, then they should have the same rights as anyone.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human liberty; it is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." — William Pitt

"No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him." — Thomas Jefferson.

 

[BloodEclipse]

I have thought for many years that every person after high school should have one year of military service (yeah, make some provision for COs). Part of what makes our country great is that we have a Volunteer Service. I respect the men and women of our military because they have made a decision to serve and were not forced. One year doesn't do much. I spent 1.5 years in school before I ever made it to the fleet.
I think it would have lots of benefits. Gun training would lessen the fear that guns run around doing things without human involvement. Gun training is minimal if in the Airforce or Navy depending upon the job assignment.
It would increase security in this country as criminals would be dealing with a much better armed and trained populace. We would be better manned and ready for crises.
Again one years worth of training would be almost useless and everyone if called back to duty would need to be retrained.
Plus get the poor kids away from their parents that have their entire lives planned out for them so that they can learn to think for themselves.

:usa:

 

[Bill of Rights]

There should be no infringements at all, just as the amendment was written. Hell, I used to go hunting, alone, when I was 11 or 12 years old, maybe younger, too damn old to remember.

The right takes care of itself. An armed society, is a polite society. If a felon is released from prison then they also should be able to protect themselves. But woe to them if they continue in their wanton ways, for they will meet Mr. or Mrs. Wrong and end up in the ground, or they will be back in prison.

Same for the mentally ill, if they are judged to be safe enough to be in society, then they should have the same rights as anyone.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human liberty; it is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." — William Pitt

"No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him." — Thomas Jefferson.

Rep points for you. I'm shocked and amazed that someone else "gets it". If they're safe enough to be released from prison or an asylum, yes, they should be able to defend themselves. Keep in mind that "mentally ill" is a very broad term. I was depressed when my father passed away and when (the same weekend) I lost my job of 14 years, and by definition, even situational depression is a "mental illness". At no time was I homicidal, suicidal, or the next American Idol, however, had I been evaluated by a psychiatrist or psychologist at that time, my medical and psychiatric record would now show a "period of mental illness" for which some lamebrain politician would someday choose to declare me unfit to own firearms.

Ever steal a gumball or some such when you were a little kid? Someone could stretch that to mark you a "kleptomaniac". Do you grouse about socialist/communist tendencies in our government? You must be paranoid and/or delusional! It only takes an anti who has a title to start stripping away our ability to lawfully exercise our rights. Government gains power by gaining control over criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, you write more laws to make more acts "criminal" and soon, the average person cannot exist without violating some law at some point of every day.

We need to start removing laws, not passing more. We need to start removing areas of government that violate the Constitution. As long as we keep sending statists up for elected office, however, this will never change.

I shudder to imagine Patrick Henry's famous speech if it was to be delivered today:

"...I know not what course others may choose, but as for me, give me liberty or.... um... or let's forget the whole thing."

Blessings,
B

 

[Glock21]

Oh pooh! I assume then, that if you had been around a little longer that you would have been a draft dodger during Vietnam... I assume you refused to attend public school as required. There are a lot of things we are required to do as part of being a member of our society (taxes for one).

If the cause is just, I'd volunteer. I don't expect anyone to fight any battles for me. But if the cause isn't just, you will not guilt me with blind patriotism to dive into any type of group insanity.

And yeah, my parents paid twice for me to go to school, but regardless of that, "public school" is not required, nor am I interested in paying for it. And even if I was, I'd still be one seriously PO'd consumer, since it produces such a lousey product.

And what is this "member" and "our" stuff? I'm me. I don't know you, and I don't claim to be part of your anything, so please don't lay any claim on me.

And before everyone starts getting their blood pressure up, I'm speaking here in a very low, calm tone, and it is not my intention for any conversation here to degrade into a shouting match. So before anyone takes anything the wrong way, we're just talking here - that's all, and it's all cool.

 

[Scutter01]

Let's please get this thread back onto the original poster's topic: Discussion about changing the LTCH rules.

 

[Glock21]

The problem is that too many people - especially the younger ones seem to think that everything is owed to them and that they don't have to do anything to earn it. Freedom is NOT free. It is NOT owed to anyone. Yes, it is our right, but we all have to work to preserve that right. And the younger people have to be reminded that SOMEONE ELSE earned that that freedom they now enjoy for them, now it's Payback/PAYFORWARD time. It's their turn to guard and protect that freedom for their generation and for the generations that follow.

My father and his generation did it for me and for you in WWll. Others did it after that in the various wars/"police actions"
It's NOT indentured servitude, it's a service WE all OWE our country and her people. As President John F. Kennedy said:
"Ask NOT what your country can do for YOU, ask what YOU can do for YOUR country".

FREEDOM IS NOT FREE!!!

Forcing anyone to do anything that is not a reversal of their behavior (that is denying another of there rights) is absolutely slavery.

My grandfather fought in WWII. My other grandfather fought in Korea. They NEVER told me that I owed them a thing. They said to me often that they did what they did because it was what they decided to do at the time. And I spent every memorial day with both of them while they were alive.

Now, if you want to live your life in unlimited debt payment for every heroic action that any other person took in the history of humanity, then more power to ya! However, I don't write debt checks to the memory of John Smith, Simon Kenton, Lewis & Clark, the first guy who lost his life trying to fly, or the first guy who decided it was ok to say no to tyranny.

I support soldiers. I have many who are personal friends. And I've shipped a bunch of gear to them in Iraq and Afghanistan. I also give free rifle lessons to anyone in any branch of the service who asks. And I'm prepared to take up arms in defense of self, family and even the borders of our nation should I ever need to. But I do it all by personal choice, not because anyone holds a gun to my head. And I certainly would never draw my pistol and command anyone else at gunpoint that they need to do anything (other than ceasing some sort of felony.)

Now, you can label something a "service", but if there is no choice, then the reality is what it is. Of course, when I hear the word "service" I often am reminded of the animal husbandry use of the word.

Of course, I get accused of being idealistic with my views all the time. Then again, if I walked up to anyone's son or daughter here, pointed a gun at them, and told them to go cut the grass in the city park as a "service", I'm sure there would be all kinds of problems. But, for some reason it's ok when government does it.

Oh well, at this point my 40-year-old rear end will probably never understand why anyone believes what they do. And this is all academic anyway, so there's really no point in getting worked up about it.

 

[Glock21]

Let's please get this thread back onto the original poster's topic: Discussion about changing the LTCH rules.

10-4, captain.