Holder begins gun-control push

[DeltaLover]

BACKDOOR GUN REGISTRATION BEGINS. After selling weapons to Mexican drug lords WITH YOUR MONEY, Holder & Baby Killer Obama ARE NOW GOING TO TELL LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT WHEN YOU BUY A GUN. So those "private" background checks are now going to be cataloged & kept

Holder begins gun-control push - The Hill's RegWatch

 

[danielson]

The CDC, meanwhile, was directed to study the causes of gun violence.

And people wonder why our money just disappears in Washington..

I have no problem with background checks. Run a check on every single person, every time they buy a firearm.. NOW, I dont want those checks used as a list of firearms to try and take from us, if it ever comes to that. I also dont want to see all these background checks having a fee associated with them... If its mandated by law, thats their issue, and not mine. Otherwise its just ONE MORE way to make money off of us.

 

[wizardfitz]

That's exactly what will happen. They will start compiling a list of everyone who owns a gun. Then when the time comes they will take them. All along people have been saying this gun control will never happen. They won't mess with the second amendment. Look what is happening though. little by little. test cases in Chicago and New York are only the beginning. We can have sodas big then 16oz, magazine bigger than 10 rounds. This is just the start.

 

[danielson]

Im telling you, I said it in another thread, and Ive been saying it for years.. THEYRE ALREADY IN VIOLATION OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT..

The action word is "infringed" not "taken away" LOOK IT UP, its translation from latin, and its understood meaning during the the time of the drafting of the constitution, and in fact, still.

THEYRE ARE BREAKING THE LAW, our HIGHEST law.. and not ONE conservative lawyer will sue or bring charges.

I cant help but feel its out of our hands.. Talk to your congressmen all you want, but theyre all working toward goals that arent ours..

 

[wakproductions]

This may not be as bad as it initially sounds. The article just said that he's giving local law enforcement ACCESS to NICS background checks, and that they are only retaining information on denied purchases.

Better background check information could in the long run benefit gun owners. The fewer criminals who have guns, then that would lead to less crime involving guns and less of an excuse for the media to call for gun control.

I'm not going to panic about Obama coming to your doorstep to confiscate your firearms until it happens.

 

[johnny45]

 

[danielson]

^^^^^^^^^^^TRUTH

and Kim Jung Il, was the real life version of porky pig.

 

[BRILEY]

We cannot become complacent, these tyrants have shown time and time again that they can't be trusted!

danielson makes a very good point, there's a reason the Founders of this Country used the language that they used in these Documents, they did not want, at any point in time for there to be confusion about what the verbiage meant in the 2A, hence the use of the word "Infringed"! Help me understand how our Politicians haven't already acted so as to "limit or undermine" the 2A??

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Quick question, did you actually read what this does? I'm guessing no, since it has nothing to do with registration and still doesn't tell anyone what gun you bought without going to the bound book at the gun store. It also doesn't tell local law enforcement you bought a gun.

What changes under the new proposals? 3 things, none of which relate to a firearms registry, notifying local police of any transactions, or kept any longer than they already are.

#1)Tribal police departments can now access the same information local, county, and state police already can for purposes of issuing a handgun permit.

#2) You make an attempt to purchase a firearm and NICS says no. Currently that information is kept 10 years by the FBI, then transferred to a separate database. Now it can be kept in the FBI database longer than 10 years. The only thing that changes is where the information is stored.

#3) If the police are going to release a handgun to you from their property room, evidence locker, etc, they can calls NICS for the background check like a gun dealer would. This would actually speed up you getting your gun from evidence, at least at IMPD, where we have to do our own manual background check before releasing.

Edit:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2013-01529.pdf

There you go, the whole new proposal.

 

[danielson]

It doesnt make sense now, but Im sure its just another step.. In a year, after we've forgotten about this, they will pass some other seemingly irrelevant piece of legislation. Eventually, they will pass enough little laws, to not need the one big one everyone's looking for. This is a standard technique employed by little kids. If you want a cookie, and daddy wont let you have one, you cant just go to get a cookie, you have to go to the edge of the linoleum and play cars, then go play under the table, then go look out the door. all seemingly docile acts, that cleverly put together, equals cookie, that daddy didn't see you get.

 

[NastyNate]

Eric Holder is the last person who should be pushing gun control laws. He shouldnt even still be in office after all the fast and furious b.s.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

We cannot become complacent, these tyrants have shown time and time again that they can't be trusted!

danielson makes a very good point, there's a reason the Founders of this Country used the language that they used in these Documents, they did not want, at any point in time for there to be confusion about what the verbiage meant in the 2A, hence the use of the word "Infringed"! Help me understand how our Politicians haven't already acted so as to "limit or undermine" the 2A??

So, I should be able to have weaponized anthrax at my house? I should be able to have a loaded pistol with me in a jail cell? Anything less is infringement on my right to bear arms, after all. Arms certainly doesn't mean "firearms" only. Nuclear arms, biological arms, chemical arms, etc.

Reasonable people can disagree on where the line is drawn, but I have trouble picturing a functional society where I can go to Wal-mart and buy mustard gas. A completely unfettered access to any weaponry by any person ignores reality.

 

[danielson]

WTF??? really?? I know what your doing.. your trying to take it to the other extreme, in order to reach some kind of balance. Thats exactly what the liberals are doing, except their idea of balance, is no firearms in America. They look up to the European countries and say, WOW, how civilized. With their speed cameras, their average speed cameras, and speed humps, bumps, and wheel clamps. Where your under surveillance 24/7. your taxed a tax, ON A TAX , after you pay the "value added tax"

ugh.. I could go on and on, but Im done getting my blood pressure up over this.

people like you sir, are the reason we've made compromise, after compromise, after compromise, and why I wake up every morning, and wish America was what it used to be.

Keep giving them wiggle room daddy, eventually there will be no cookies left.

 

[joale]

It doesnt make sense now, but Im sure its just another step.. In a year, after we've forgotten about this, they will pass some other seemingly irrelevant piece of legislation. Eventually, they will pass enough little laws, to not need the one big one everyone's looking for. This is a standard technique employed by little kids. If you want a cookie, and daddy wont let you have one, you cant just go to get a cookie, you have to go to the edge of the linoleum and play cars, then go play under the table, then go look out the door. all seemingly docile acts, that cleverly put together, equals cookie, that daddy didn't see you get.

Along with taking little by little to get a lot, they also introduced bills that ask for the outrageous knowing that the republican cowards in congress will compromise on something....adding a little more.

I mean...come on...they are only asking for 'common sense' and 'reasonable' restrictions... The problem is...common sense hasn't been very common for a while...and why isn't it reasonable to have an ar-15 in every household

 

[zippy23]

They will not just go out and ban all guns. They will do it piece by piece, slowly, so that we become complacent. They will slowly erode our rights. I remember reading an article about a liberal wanting to slowly ban guns by making us register them, and when a person dies they have to surrender them to the gov't. Its things like this that they will do, they will not to it is one swipe. Unfortunately, i cant think of a civilization that has EVER pulled itself out of the grips of socialism and communism. Its a one way street until the society either collapses and is gone, the country breaks apart. Yes we are a little different than other countries, but we have shown has fast we can fall into the grips of big gov't. Its sad but i really dont think the real patriots of this country will see a peaceful turnaround.

 

[Movealongmovealong]

So, I should be able to have weaponized anthrax at my house? I should be able to have a loaded pistol with me in a jail cell? Anything less is infringement on my right to bear arms, after all. Arms certainly doesn't mean "firearms" only. Nuclear arms, biological arms, chemical arms, etc.

Reasonable people can disagree on where the line is drawn, but I have trouble picturing a functional society where I can go to Wal-mart and buy mustard gas. A completely unfettered access to any weaponry by any person ignores reality.

Mustard gas? Child's play.

How about some weaponized small pox? We DO still have it, afterall! Ya know, for a rainy day...

BUT WHY CAN'T I HAVE SOME????

Heh.

 

[Avec]

That's exactly what will happen. They will start compiling a list of everyone who owns a gun. Then when the time comes they will take them. All along people have been saying this gun control will never happen. They won't mess with the second amendment. Look what is happening though. little by little. test cases in Chicago and New York are only the beginning. We can have sodas big then 16oz, magazine bigger than 10 rounds. This is just the start.

Yes, because they have already rounded up the NFA weapons, and it has taken them a quick 80 years -except they haven't

Im telling you, I said it in another thread, and Ive been saying it for years.. THEYRE ALREADY IN VIOLATION OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT..

The action word is "infringed" not "taken away" LOOK IT UP, its translation from latin, and its understood meaning during the the time of the drafting of the constitution, and in fact, still.

THEYRE ARE BREAKING THE LAW, our HIGHEST law.. and not ONE conservative lawyer will sue or bring charges.

I cant help but feel its out of our hands.. Talk to your congressmen all you want, but theyre all working toward goals that arent ours..

If you want to be literally, the amendment is A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. It says right to keep and bear, it does not say anything about purchasing.

I think it is time to tone down the ridiculous rhetoric and focus on reality.

 

[Litebow]

I think it is time to tone down the ridiculous rhetoric and focus on reality.[/QUOTE]

Tell that to the gun control advocates!

Dave

 

[joale]

It says right to keep and bear, it does not say anything about purchasing.

So without the ability to purchase....where would the arms come from?

 

[danielson]

lol.. thats an interesting POV on the second amendment.. funny, I never thought of that.

I think you should keep it to yourself. the liberals ARE NOT AFRAID to try and define what it means, and pass laws that take advantage of it..

But the fact is, we are the well regulated militia, and we have the right to bear and keep arms. and they are infringing on that..

I know Im hanging on what word means what, but I just know they will pick us to death like a school of piranha would do to a shark if they were able.

They distract us with the little steps, and one day, you get up, get on INGO, and talk about how a guy at bradis pointed his single shot glock at you...

I dont like it..