Handgun stopping power

[Deet]

sometimes 22 rounds don't get it done, but thats why we all carry extra mags.

 

[451_Detonics]

I don't think many places teach it...everyone seems to teach 2 to the body - one to the head...but I was taught and teach others that if the center mass doesn't work then go lower, not higher. Standing requires skeletal support, if you can break down the pelvis, which isn't cover by a vest btw, the bad guy may still come after you but he will have to crawl to do so. A moving head is a very tough shot but the lower body is not nearly as difficult.

 

[BloodEclipse]

Within the civillian world, a handgun is what one usually utilizes to get to their long arm.



BloodEclipse is really Barney Fife????? Doesn't that round get really dusty in your pocket????????

Nah I take it out and polish it every couple of hours.

I'm so good, if I don't have time to load it, I can get a CNS hit by throwing the bullet.

 

[Bapak2ja]

I'll have to stay with center mass hits, and hope for a CNS impact in there somewhere...... but then again, I'm old

Never mess with the old guy! Too old to fight; too slow to run; he will just kill you.

 

[Jay]

Never mess with the old guy! Too old to fight; too slow to run; he will just kill you.

ssshhhhhhh.. don't give it away......

 

[HICKMAN]

Never mess with the old guy! Too old to fight; too slow to run; he will just kill you.

amen

 

[lovemachine]

Never mess with the old guy! Too old to fight; too slow to run; he will just kill you.

ONLY if he remembered to take his Ginko Biloba. Otherwise, he'll just forget where he put his weapon at

 

[Jay]

ONLY if he remembered to take his Ginko Biloba. Otherwise, he'll just forget where he put his weapon at

Those meds build up in our systems. I'd not bank on a missed dose, rendering anyone unable to function.

Just a thought

 

[Blaze261]

And this is exactly why 9mm vs .45acp arguments are idiotic at best.

There was another story where the BG was shot by numerous (like 117 total hits iirc) .40 S&W & .223 Rem. The police finally tackled him, and he continued to fight hand to hand before they got him in cuffs...... 117 hits, with both pistol and rifle caliber rounds.

You must be more determined than the assailant in order to prevail.

I think you might of been thinking about this case. Warning gruesome pics.

http://concealedcarryholsters.org/wp-content/files/FBI-Analysis-on-PA-Police-Shootout.pdf

 

[Lars]

I think you might of been thinking about this case. Warning gruesome pics.

http://concealedcarryholsters.org/wp-content/files/FBI-Analysis-on-PA-Police-Shootout.pdf

That's the one I was thinking of. I had the number of hits wrong, it wasn't 117 hits, but rather 107 shots fired by LEOs.

6 hits with .40 S&W (5 of which expanded)
The police expended every .223 round they had.

The Assailant was finally brought down when a .40 S&W broke his right arm above the elbow.

In the lessons learned they conclude the .40 S&W worked as advertised.
And that the .223 did not produce immediate lethality as the department had expected it would.


And ultimately the following two quotes really tell the tale.

"Determined individuals can sustain many gunshot wounds in areas that produce great pain and continue to fight a long time, even without the aid of drugs or alcohol."

&

"Shot placement is everything in a gunfight and always the key to stopping a thread effectively."

 

[Jay]

I'm still curious about what some of these victims might have been wearing. Would clothing have affected penetration?

 

[JetGirl]

I'm still curious about what some of these victims might have been wearing. Would clothing have affected penetration?

Good point. That story was written in winter, but I didn't catch where.
Heavy clothing in layers maybe?

 

[g00n24]

Well that settles it, Im only going to OC AK pistols from now on...

 

[garagegunmaker]

Well that settles it, Im only going to OC AK pistols from now on...

INGO open carry AK draco event anyone?

 

[herby31]

wow. makes me glad that when I carry my glock 22 i have 31 rounds on my person at all times. same speer rounds as the pd in that fbi review. also, when i carry my 1911, i carry 230 grain +p hollow points (remington golden sabres). they work wonders on fleshy targets, in case anyone doubted. the 5.56 mm round, unless it's loaded hot and with a hollow point or some type of frangible bullet, is just not that great of a round. leos should have a dpms .308 carbine as their long gun instead of something chambered in 5.56. i watched a wild dog take 4 shots of NATO 55 grain 5.56 ball ammo to the head and still run around. 5.56 is a joke. that being said, i still don't want to get shot with it.

edit: power point of fbi review says down jacket and t shirt worn by the bullet sponge.

 

[Benny]

The page wouldn't load last night, so I just got around to reading the story...Wow. What a courageous and determined officer. If it would have been on of the local POs around here, they would have waited for 5 backups before even approaching the car.

My center mass comment was somewhat unwarranted given the conditions...I'm glad he not only made it out alive, but also had a speedy recovery.



BTW, dang, that was a really detailed story.

 

[g00n24]

wow. makes me glad that when I carry my glock 22 i have 31 rounds on my person at all times. same speer rounds as the pd in that fbi review. also, when i carry my 1911, i carry 230 grain +p hollow points (remington golden sabres). they work wonders on fleshy targets, in case anyone doubted. the 5.56 mm round, unless it's loaded hot and with a hollow point or some type of frangible bullet, is just not that great of a round. leos should have a dpms .308 carbine as their long gun instead of something chambered in 5.56. i watched a wild dog take 4 shots of NATO 55 grain 5.56 ball ammo to the head and still run around. 5.56 is a joke. that being said, i still don't want to get shot with it.

edit: power point of fbi review says down jacket and t shirt worn by the bullet sponge.

Yea 5.56...what a joke, they should definitely dump it...it's a completely un-proven round. They should only be shooting stuff that's seen combat for over 45yrs. Oh, wait.......(oops forgot the purple)

 

[wtfd661]

In a fight or flight situation, most folks will be lucky to hit center mass, much less a CNS shot. Of course I realize that there are multitudes of folks out there who are so proficient as to deliver CNS hits all day, with either hand, while drinking coffee...... what?... oh sure there are...just ask !!!

I'll have to stay with center mass hits, and hope for a CNS impact in there somewhere...... but then again, I'm old

Once again Jay you hit the nail on the head.

 

[DeadeyeChrista'sdad]

Nah I take it out and polish it every couple of hours.

You DO mean the bullet, RIGHT???

"Shot placement is everything in a gunfight and always the key to stopping a thread effectively

."

Well, I suppose Lars DOES have thread stopping power.....

 

[HICKMAN]

Yea 5.56...what a joke, they should definitely dump it...it's a completely un-proven round. They should only be shooting stuff that's seen combat for over 45yrs. Oh, wait.......(oops forgot the purple)

Once again, just because the military uses it (lowest bidder) doesn't necessarily mean it is better.