GUN LEGISLATION IN STIMULUS BILL!!!!!!

[agentl074]

Thoughts

Well I dont think that people with anxiety issues are going to be targeted. Besides 90% of the public have anxiety/stress issues. I have been prescribed an SSRI for anxiety but taperd off to a half a 10mg pill (0.5) which isnt much.

Isnt it a bit irresponsible to not read a document before signing/passing it? I remember when my CJ instructor hid a bunch of stuff in a document and asked us to sign it real fast lol. This kinda seems fradulent does it not?


I have a possible solution to our current despotistic situation:

1. Appeal to articles 9 and 10 of the U.S. Constitution for sovergnity.

2. Form a trade allience with Firearm and Ammunition producing States as well as other trade - this will keep our State free and ensure operation.

3. Pay Federal taxes to State - this would ensure adequare income for our State armed forces and other government needs.

This would infact be more like a confederation but it could very well work.

 

[esigler]

It has me worried Im a chronic pain patient, I have seven "bad" discs in my spine that we know of. I take meds to survive, how long until I am denied! It is a crock of govenment horse Sh*t!

 

[Blue Tile Spook]

Esigler, I have similar medical issues. I think I will have a serious choice to make when any legislation gets to that point. Until then, I will continue to lobby my congress-critters to try to help it from ever getting there.

I am supposed to meet at the Statehouse with my State Senator in a few days to discuss some of these 2A bills in the Legislature. He's going to get an earfull in a positve way on March 9th.

 

[agentl074]

Esigler, I have similar medical issues. I think I will have a serious choice to make when any legislation gets to that point. Until then, I will continue to lobby my congress-critters to try to help it from ever getting there.

I am supposed to meet at the Statehouse with my State Senator in a few days to discuss some of these 2A bills in the Legislature. He's going to get an earful in a positive way on March 9th.

Yup! That's what I'm talking about... Historically if you look at all of the gun laws - they are subtle however, they conform to Hitlers gun control laws.
This has been a steady stream to see how far they can push it before firearms are outlawed. After firearms are outlawed and our freedoms restricted - we are Our constitutional republic has been twisted to project a more democratic regime which historical political science has shown to led to tyranny each and every time!

 

[INRanger]

The majority of my soldiers have been diagnosed with some form of PTSD myself included. It's an accepted part of the job, no one is whining or looking for an out they are all professionals. They are still able to and currently are deployed. The government has no problem with them carrying weapons and enforcing our policies in foreign lands. Are they going to be denied those same rights on home soil?

 

[Turtle]

maybe thats it. make it illegal for any one taking an anit depresant or a anxiety medicine and you prevent 70 -80% of americans from owning guns for medical reasons. Wow wouldnt that disarm the police and the millitary too?

Guess im screwed.... but hell with the world the way it is... its hard not to have anxiety and really hard to be all happy all the time.

Wow just realized every one i know with a gun permit or a gun takes something... either anti-anxiety or anti-depression medicine and if they are older than 40 they got the pain pills too. this is so wrong

 

[mike8170]

The majority of my soldiers have been diagnosed with some form of PTSD myself included. It's an accepted part of the job, no one is whining or looking for an out they are all professionals. They are still able to and currently are deployed. The government has no problem with them carrying weapons and enforcing our policies in foreign lands. Are they going to be denied those same rights on home soil?

We have the same issues in my company. Sleep disorders, PTSD, and a myriad of physical ailments. I have been attending counseling through VA, so all of my issues are already documented. Does this mean I am mentally unstable? Will this bring forth a reason to take my weapons? Will it stop there, or will by children be taken next? I think this legislation will have some far reaching implications that will not stop at just gun ownership, but will be used as a basis to break the will of an individual as everything he/she cares about and values is systematically removed from their lives.

Maybe I can move to Tel-Aviv, and sign on with the IDF.

 

[CulpeperMM]

Well I dont think that people with anxiety issues are going to be targeted. Besides 90% of the public have anxiety/stress issues.

Bingo! they just made 90% of America criminals if they own guns and have at any point had medically observed stress/anxiety. they are declaring war on Americans.

That is what this whole friggin thing is about:

They want to destroy America.

 

[esigler]

Thats ok the fathers of our Country committed treason to start this place, so today they would be denied! Justice needs to be a little open minded not dogmatic and completly blind!

 

[agentl074]

GOP Governors consider refusing bailout funds


-Yahoo news



BATON ROUGE, La. – A handful of Republican governors are considering turning down some money from the federal stimulus package, a move opponents say puts conservative ideology ahead of the needs of constituents struggling with record foreclosures and soaring unemployment.
Though none has outright rejected the money available for education, health care and infrastructure, the governors of Texas, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alaska, South Carolina and Idaho have all questioned whether the $787 billion bill signed into law this week will even help the economy.
"My concern is there's going to be commitments attached to it that are a mile long," said Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who considered rejecting some of the money but decided Wednesday to accept it. "We need the freedom to pick and choose. And we need the freedom to say 'No thanks.'"
U.S. Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., the No. 3 House Democrat, said the governors — some of whom are said to be eyeing White House bids in 2012 — are putting their own interests first.
"No community or constituent should be denied recovery assistance due to their governor's political ideology or political aspirations," Clyburn said Wednesday.
In fact, governors who reject some of the stimulus aid may find themselves overridden by their own legislatures because of language Clyburn included in the bill that allows lawmakers to accept the federal money even if their governors object.
He inserted the provision based on the early and vocal opposition to the stimulus plan by South Carolina's Republican governor, Mark Sanford. But it also means governors like Sanford and Louisiana's Bobby Jindal — a GOP up-and-comer often mentioned as a potential 2012 presidential candidate — can burnish their conservative credentials, knowing all the while that their legislatures can accept the money anyway.
Jindal said he, like Perry and Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, is concerned about strings attached to the money even though his state faces a $1.7 billion budget shortfall next year.
Barbour spokesman Dan Turner, for example, cited concerns that accepting unemployment money from the stimulus package would force states to pay benefits to people who wouldn't meet state requirements to receive them.
In Idaho, Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter said he wasn't interested in stimulus money that would expand programs and boost the state's costs in future years when the federal dollars disappear — a worry also cited by Jindal and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.
A spokesman said Sanford, the new head of the Republican Governors Association, is looking at the stimulus bill to figure out how much of it he can control.
"We're going through a 1,200-page bill to determine what our options are," Spokesman Joel Sawyer said. "From there, we'll make decisions."
But state Democratic Party chairwoman Carol Fowler says Sanford's hesitation is driven by his political ambition rather than the best interests of a state that had the nation's third-highest unemployment rate in December.
"He's so ideological," Fowler said. "He would rather South Carolina do without jobs than take that money, and I think he's looking for a way not to take it."
Not all Republican governors are reticent about using the federal cash.
Florida Gov. Charlie Crist lobbied for the stimulus plan and Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue has embraced it as he looks to close a $2.6 billion deficit in the state's budget this year. Alabama Gov. Bob Riley has already figured the money into his state's budget.
Pearson Cross, a political scientist at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette, said fiscally conservative governors may be able to give themselves political cover by turning down small portions of the stimulus money, like health care dollars requiring a state match, that they might not fully use anyway.
But in the end, he said, they will likely take most of the available money because their states need it so badly.
"Ideology usually takes second place for governors," he said. "And that's going to mean that most governors are going to go ahead and take the money even though they have misgivings about it."
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Associated Press writers Seanna Adcox, Mary Clare Jalonick, Shannon McCaffrey, John Miller, Emily Wagster Pettus, Phillip Rawls, Anne Sutton and Jim Vertuno contributed to this report.

 

[agentl074]

This was a rumor that has been proven false.

Gun Owner Concerns In The So-called "Stimulus" Bill

-- Billions of dollars for anti-gun ACORN and computer database​

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Wednesday, February 18, 2009

- Gun Owners of America

It was a day that will live in infamy.

President Obama traveled to Denver, Colorado yesterday to sign the multi-billion dollar, pork-laden, so-called "stimulus" bill into law.

But forget the $787 billion price tag you heard on TV. Forget the $12 TRILLION debt limit which the bill created.

By the time debt services and other frills of the "socialism bill" are accounted for, the cost will be over $3,000,000,000,000 (yes, three TRILLION).

This makes the bill the biggest government spending grab in human history.

But what about the details? The hundreds and hundreds of pages in the bill were not made available until less than 18 hours before the final passage vote. But here's what we know in relation to the gun-related provisions:

* The final bill continues to spend between $12 and $20 BILLION on requiring your doctor to retroactively put your most confidential medical records into a government database. Based on our experience with veterans, we would expect the government to try to use computerized psychiatric records to impose gun bans on people who have sought (or will seek) treatment.

* The final bill continues to fund liberal community action groups like ACORN, which has been convicted in previous elections for voter fraud and is now under investigation in several states for having engaged in massive criminal election fraud on behalf of Barack Obama's presidential candidacy. Not only that, they have also been involved in anti-Second Amendment activism in New Jersey.

White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel was at least honest when he said it would be a shame to let a crisis like the current recession "go to waste." Like vultures picking on the nation's carcass, the White House has used the nation's pain to lavish largesse on its political supporters, at the expense of the nation's economic survival.

And, in the end, this act of ethical depravity was made possible by every Democrat Senator who voted for the bill, plus the defections of three Republicans: Arlen Specter (R-PA), Olympia Snowe (R-ME), and Susan Collins (R-ME).

If there is one silver lining to all of this, it's the debunking of a rumor that recently swept across the internet. The rumor claimed that the provisions of HR 45 -- the massive gun registration bill introduced by Chicago congressman Bobby Rush (D) -- were "rolled into" what was passed.

But having searched the contents of the new law, GOA staff has determined the rumor appears to be false.