GUN LEGISLATION IN STIMULUS BILL!!!!!!

[koenig clone]

GUN LEGISTATION IN STIMULUS BILL THAT JUST PASSED!!!!!!
Gun Owners of America
Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Listen to Infowars audio on right hand side halfway down.
check for yourself.

They passed it so fast no one even knew.

 

[melensdad]

They passed it so fast no one even knew.

Actually a lot of us expected it and saw it coming. Its all part of the overall plan to saddle us with socialism in every aspect of our lives. Obama is one smart man, I'll give him that much credit.

 

[koenig clone]

i knew it would be, just hopin it wasnt.

 

[Disposable Heart]

Yeah, that mental statute is bad ju ju. I never really liked it. Anyone can call me nuts (okay, officially, paper carrying nuts ) and boom, no more boom sticks.

A way to get around it? Cant that I know of. Dont act crazy? How does one do that when they may be genuinely crazy? The knee jerk reaction bill they made to change the mental situation in purchasing a gun wasn't thought out well, like most knee jerk reactions. The VT shooting was a crazy who was labeled crazy, but still got guns because of a stupid judge that didn't know what they were doing. The VT shooter was crazy, had teachers that knew he was crazy, but yet they only made token attempts to make his insanity known to those who could get him help. Going to a school board and saying he is disturbed doesn't work. Going to the police and getting him locked up is.

Private transactions can still allow folks to get guns and the real crazies WILL WAIT the x-day waiting period to get their guns. Most of the nut jobs that shoot up places dont show it until they start blasting. It's only when they start looking through journals, manifestos and hard drives do they truely understand the horror that was brewing. Honestly, there are always warning signs and sometimes people pick up on them, but once again, aren't saved by token or ineffective attempts to alert those who can take care of the situation.

Its not gun control, its mind control. They want to control how you interact with society, but they dont understand that you can't know what is in a crazy's head until they act. Its **** poor legislation like this that may keep SOME guns away from the nutjobs, but reality is that it strips gun owners away from most folks and DOESN'T stop crazys. Carry permits are key in my mind. ONE person carrying at VT could have saved alot of lives. One, maybe two could have still been lost, but consider this: Most of the crazy's victims were shot as they kneeled. The SOB walked up and down shooting non-moving targets. Only a few actually boarded up and waited for help. That mean he had time to get people herded to kill them. ONE carry permit owner could have stopped this. ONE! Compared to the dozens of lives lost that day. There is only one way to stop the thing you dont know is coming and that is to prepare for it.

 

[agentl074]

Question: what did they allegedly pass? Was this confirmed?

 

[mettle]

It is still time to start buying the last of the ammo, mags and guns you want. It will not be long.

 

[agentl074]

We should push the resolution for sovereignty if it looks like it will affect our State.

 

[melensdad]

Question: what did they allegedly pass? Was this confirmed?

Yes it is passed, its the 'mental' clause.

We should push the resolution for sovereignty if it looks like it will affect our State.

That resolution is worthless. Several states are doing it. Its, at best, a fad in resolution form. Now Montana appears to be working on a real law. However it pushes its power around based on the interstate commerce clauses that have been used to regulate guns. The Montana statute only applies to guns, ammo, & parts manufactured, sold, and KEPT inside the state boundaries of that state. Something like that won't be very helpful here in Indiana, we don't have much by the way of firearms manufacturing here.

 

[agentl074]

*CONFIRMED*

“Pork” Bailout Bill Could Ban Guns for Millions of Americans

Courtesy of Gun Owners of America

“HR 1 is about more than just pork. Millions of gun owners stand to lose their gun rights without any due process.” Larry Pratt, GOA Executive Director

Wednesday, February 11, 2009

The Obama administration is putting a lot of pressure on Congress to slam through the most recent $800+ billion bailout package before anyone has an opportunity to read it.

The Obama administration intones that the details are unimportant. The only thing that matters is the “bigness.” And, by shipping a bill of nearly $900 billion (plus interest) to our children and grandchildren, the package is really, really big –- bigger, in fact, than the budget of our entire government for the first 170 years of our country’s existence.

But now that some of the details are finally starting to leak out of Washington, Gun Owners -– and a lot of other analysts -– are beginning to look at the fine print. And some of it is particularly scary.

Of particular concern to gun owners are sections 13101 through 13434 of HR 1, which would set up the infrastructure to computerize the medical records of ALL AMERICANS in a government-coordinated database.

True, the bill doesn’t mandate that the data will be in a giant computer under the Oval Office. But it does mandate that your medical records be reduced to a computerized form which is available to it in a second.

This it would do by establishing a National Coordinator for Health Information Technology –- tasked with, among other things, “providing information to help guide medical decisions at the time and place of care.”

It should be scary enough that a government bureaucrat is directed by statute to try to influence your doctor’s decisions with respect to your medical care.

But of even greater concern to gun owners is the fact that a government-coordinated database (which government can freely access) will now contain all records of government-provided and private psychiatric treatment -– including, in particular, the drugs which were prescribed.

Remember last year’s “NICS Improvement Act” otherwise known as the Veterans Disarmament Act? This law codified ATF’s attempts to make you a prohibited person on the basis of a government psychiatrist’s finding that you are a “danger” –- without a finding by any court. Well, roughly 150,000 battle-scarred veterans have already been unfairly stripped of their gun rights by the government.

But people who, as kids, were diagnosed with Attention Deficit Disorder... or seniors with Alzheimer’s... or police with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder... or people who are now theoretically covered by the new law... these people have, generally, not suffered the consequences of its sanctions YET. And the chief reason is that their records are not easily available to the government in a central, easily retrievable, computerized form.

The bailout bill would change all of that. It would push increasingly hard to force your private psychiatrist or government-sanctioned psychiatrist to turn over your psychiatric records to a massive database. This would be mandated immediately if your doctor does business with the government.

This would supposedly save Medicare money in connection with medical treatment. And, the sponsors insist, they would work very hard to protect your privacy.

But this turns the concept of “privacy” on its head. The privacy which is MOST important is privacy from the prying eyes of government –- not privacy of government data against the prying eyes of others. After all, many government data bases have been hacked in recent years, with mountains of information stolen.

So, once the government has access to these computerized psychiatric records, the stage will be set for using that database to take away the gun rights of those with Alzheimer’s, those with ADD, and those with PTSD.

 

[HICKMAN]

Yep, I can see it now.

Problems sleeping? Denied!

Headaches? Denied!

Just watch, they will use any excuse for banning people from getting firearms. The first victims will be returning soldiers.

 

[melensdad]

Well add this "list" to the people on the "No-Fly List" that they use to screen passengers who fly on commercial airlines and then you have the makings of a real catastrophe for gun rights. At least this list requires a medical opinion, the "no fly list" is a secret list, run by bureaucrats, with no clear means of remediation.

 

[agentl074]

Yes it is passed, its the 'mental' clause.

That resolution is worthless. Several states are doing it. Its, at best, a fad in resolution form. Now Montana appears to be working on a real law. However it pushes its power around based on the interstate commerce clauses that have been used to regulate guns. The Montana statute only applies to guns, ammo, & parts manufactured, sold, and KEPT inside the state boundaries of that state. Something like that won't be very helpful here in Indiana, we don't have much by the way of firearms manufacturing here.

So what can we do?

 

[melensdad]

So what can we do?

Don't go to the doctor and complain about stress, etc. This bill includes mental instability clauses, anything you complain about to your doctor that could possibly be misconstrued as a psychological problem could be used against you.

 

[Spot Me 2]

Where is the new smiley????? The one of him looking at our flag and crying. I can't wait to see what else is "hiddin" in the 1100 pages of BS.

 

[Chefcook]

So what can we do?

Yippie Ki A Muf*ka... LOCK AND LOAD.....

 

[agentl074]

Don't go to the doctor and complain about stress, etc. This bill includes mental instability clauses, anything you complain about to your doctor that could possibly be misconstrued as a psychological problem could be used against you.

I really wasnt referring to how to deal with being in tyranny. I was really getting at what we should do to remedy this situation as a State.

 

[melensdad]

I really wasnt referring to how to deal with being in tyranny. I was really getting at what we should do to remedy this situation as a State.

Start by turning down the "stimulus" money! Tell Obama we don't want it. Of course that won't happen. We are addicted to suckling on the government teat. We have seat belt laws so we get federal highway dollars. You think we will reject this money? Even if it is just funny money. Not a chance.

 

[Shadowbeach]

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[agentl074]

Start by turning down the "stimulus" money! Tell Obama we don't want it. Of course that won't happen. We are addicted to suckling on the government teat. We have seat belt laws so we get federal highway dollars. You think we will reject this money? Even if it is just funny money. Not a chance.

Well when is enough enough? And what about making firearm and ammunition manufacturing here? Seems to be the only manufacturing that is prospering!
Seriously though something can be done ... or all is lost. History shows that once things like these take hold - its just one thing after the other....

 

[Turtle]

dont like 70 ercent of americans take prozak? been takin it since i was 10... even got a leter saying im safe to own a gun but never needed it...lol