Group of 4 become first women to complete Marine Corps infantry combat training

[mrjarrell]

Kudos to the Marines who finished the training! 4 out of 15 of the women who applied made it through the training. That must be a tough row to hoe. Boo to the USMC, tho. If these women have completed the training they deserve slots in the proper units, not being relegated to some non-combat position they're over-qualified for now. That's really rather pathetic on the part of the USMC. These four women worked their asses off to complete the grueling training and then get told they'll not get to serve. Shame on the corps.

Group of 4 become first women to complete Marine Corps infantry combat training school  - NY Daily News

 

[traderdan]

They completed courses with the same set of physical standards as the men?

 

[mrjarrell]

They completed courses with the same set of physical standards as the men?

That's the takeaway.

To complete the course, the four warriors completed the same exercises male Marines, including a 12.5 mile hump over rough terrain while carrying 90 pounds of combat gear.

 

[1775usmarine]

From what I get is that they opened it to 100 women but only 15 signed up and out of those 15 only 4 passed. I still believe women should not be in a combat unit. I was Motor T and we had women in our unit we had combat missions provided our own security and seen our fair share of combat. We had one woman in the middle of of our convoy getting shot at duck in the turret and not return fire. She was replaced once we got to our destination. We had another who slept through an IED attack and small arms fire and still receive a CAR for it. Sex ran rampant in the unit and the other unit who had females of which we were attached too. I did not participate as I wasn't wanting a disease or worse. Only a few from the above article are cut out to make it through the training yet 4% is still a low number if they had a 100 person pilot.

 

[Kutnupe14]

From what I get is that they opened it to 100 women but only 15 signed up and out of those 15 only 4 passed. I still believe women should not be in a combat unit. I was Motor T and we had women in our unit we had combat missions provided our own security and seen our fair share of combat. We had one woman in the middle of of our convoy getting shot at duck in the turret and not return fire. She was replaced once we got to our destination. We had another who slept through an IED attack and small arms fire and still receive a CAR for it. Sex ran rampant in the unit and the other unit who had females of which we were attached too. I did not participate as I wasn't wanting a disease or worse. Only a few from the above article are cut out to make it through the training yet 4% is still a low number if they had a 100 person pilot.

4%? You do know your math is way off, right?

 

[actaeon277]

DONNELLY: Why would Obama send American girls into combat? - Washington Times

"A few women reportedly will succeed in a similar experiment at the less-demanding enlisted Marine Infantry Training Battalion at Camp Geiger, N.C., but an information brief stated that gender-normed physical fitness and combat fitness tests would be part of the “baseline” research."

Gender Normed = sliding scale.

 

[Expat]

Down to three now...

Three women to graduate from Marines' infantry training

 

[Expat]

I wonder where this announcement plays into this?
Four Women Complete Marine Infantry Training; Marines Deem Pullups Too Dangerous for Women

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

The armed services should not be a social experiment. Their job is to kill people, blow stuff up, and win wars in the most effective manner possible (meals-on-wheels and other good will BS aside). The requirements ought to be the requirements for one and all. If women have the physical and psychological proweness it takes, fine. I'm sure in a very large group of people, there probably are a certain percentage that have "it". I hope they passed the same test as the guys and I hope the test for the guys hasn't been watered down to make sure previously unqualified people can now pass it.

 

[jamil]

4%? You do know your math is way off, right?

Google this: "4 / 100%"

 

[Kutnupe14]

I wonder where this announcement plays into this?
Four Women Complete Marine Infantry Training; Marines Deem Pullups Too Dangerous for Women

That "source" is contradictory. Did they, or did they not do the pull ups?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Google this: "4 / 100%"

Math isn't your strong suit either, 'eh?

 

[Kutnupe14]

26.6%, of women that attempted the course, passed (if using the original figure of 4). To use the "100" figure, when 85 declined to participate is intellectually dishonest. I know word problems can sometimes be difficult, but that one was middle school-ish.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Interestingly enough, Audie Murphy couldn't meet the Marines' requirements either.

 

[jamil]

Math isn't your strong suit either, 'eh?

Were you thinking that the denominator should be 15?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Were you thinking that the denominator should be 15?

Do you think a person that doesn't participate in a test fails it?

 

[jamil]

26.6%, of women that attempted the course, passed (if using the original figure of 4). To use the "100" figure, when 85 declined to participate is intellectually dishonest. I know word problems can sometimes be difficult, but that one was middle school-ish.

You're taking a facile view of this. One would assume that only women who thought they had a realistic chance of passing would actually apply. That number is meaningful only in certain contexts. The most meaningful number to me is what percentage of women in the marines are capable of passing that test. The most meaningful and intellectually honest answer to that question given the data we have, is 4%.

 

[Expat]

That "source" is contradictory. Did they, or did they not do the pull ups?

Not really contradictory as he is raising the question. Why do they announce that 3 females had passed all the requirements, then at nearly the same time announce that women would no longer have to do pull ups?

 

[Kutnupe14]

You're taking a facile view of this. One would assume that only women who thought they had a realistic chance of passing would actually apply. That number is meaningful only in certain contexts. The most meaningful number to me is what percentage of women in the marines are capable of passing that test. The most meaningful and intellectually honest answer to that question given the data we have, is 4%.

You're making a lot of assumptions about those 100 women. We have no idea "how" these women were chosen. Given the strong opposition that civilians have to women in combat, it's realistic to believe that in the military, itself, it's much higher. These women could have possibly wanted to avoid the grief often thrust upon trailblazers (see Tuskeegee Airmen). Or perhaps these women simply did not want a combat role. 90%+ of military jobs are non-combat roles, so even if you do use the erroneous figure of "100," the numbers have more parity than opponents would want to give credit, with a 6/7% margin of error.
It's EPIC fail to imply that the 85 women who didnt participate, didnt because they couldn't do it.

 

[-Jake-]

If they have different PT standards then they shouldn't be allowed into an infantry unit.