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    May be a lost cause with that one.

    Yeah, I know that could be a double entendre. And probably a lost cause. But seriously, I don't care if MartinHouse/Epicenter is LGBT or not, and that's not the cause I think is lost. Not all of them are groomers indoctrinating students to be LGBT activists or knowingly supporting those who do. I'm not assuming MartinHouse is. But I think that woke progressives, especially LGBT are less capable of thinking critically about it and the harm "grooming" is causing children and society.

    And besides. Critical thinking is a tool of straight white males to oppress women, LGBTQIA+, and people of color, anyways.
     

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    Not grooming.

    Yes. That is a definitionally correct way to use "groomer".

    @MartinHouse, this epitomizes what we mean by "groomer". Is it appropriate to coax students to be LGBTQIA+?

    Oxford Dictionary, at least as of now, defines grooming as "the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity." Maybe you'd prefer to call it praxis, but what these teachers are doing is exactly grooming. If a child is LGBT naturally, they have a right to be who they are. Teachers gaslighting students to think they are is immoral. You should stop lending a blind eye in support of that.
     

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    This is extraordinarily delusional. At that stage there's no way to know if an infant is G or L, let alone any of the other letters other than the I, which is a physical feature. This is basically a course on how to groom future LGBTQIA+ activists from infancy.
     

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    Yes. That is a definitionally correct way to use "groomer".

    @MartinHouse, this epitomizes what we mean by "groomer". Is it appropriate to coax students to be LGBTQIA+?

    Oxford Dictionary, at least as of now, defines grooming as "the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity." Maybe you'd prefer to call it praxis, but what these teachers are doing is exactly grooming. If a child is LGBT naturally, they have a right to be who they are. Teachers gaslighting students to think they are is immoral. You should stop lending a blind eye in support of that.


    This thread is about "grooming children" as far as I can tell. That story is not about children, it is about adults.

    Second: the story does not say the professor is trying to coax students (adults btw) to be bisexual. He was saying to ADULTS that is ok to discover your sexuality. Do you thing that is wrong? I don't see what the issue is. I think some of you may be afraid that if you hear the right words, you will become gay.

    I don's see any gaslighting in that story (about adults). I see a lot of gaslighting in this thread about other subjects though.
     

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    But let's be straight about what we're calling grooming. Because it looks like you might be trying to build up some foes made of straw. The people we're talking about are indoctrinating children with queer theory to get them to be allies. They should stop it. That nonsense doesn't belong in schools.

    I'm not going to answer all of your comments because while I appreciate you willingness to engage in dialog, I feel that you are all over the map. This highlight sentence gets to the point of the issue.

    Telling children that LGBT people exist and that they are not perverts, isn't grooming, it is education. Being an ally to people who are demonized for existing isn't evil, it is proper education.
     

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    This thread is about "grooming children" as far as I can tell. That story is not about children, it is about adults.
    This thread is about "groomer updates". Grooming children is part of that. College students, even though adults, can be groomed too.

    Second: the story does not say the professor is trying to coax students (adults btw) to be bisexual. He was saying to ADULTS that is ok to discover your sexuality. Do you thing that is wrong?
    That's one way to spin it.

    In an intro-level sociology class titled “Trans Issues, TERFs, and The Binary,” Professor Sam Richards told students “we are all at some level nonbinary” and called on all heterosexual students to “watch gay or lesbian porn and see how quickly you feel aroused. And how you can’t control that. You’ll realize that, ‘Oh, d—, I could be sexualized by people who are like me,'”

    That is gaslighting.

    I don't see what the issue is. I think some of you may be afraid that if you hear the right words, you will become gay.
    That's nonsense. You don't catch "the gay" as if it's a communicable disease. No one seriously thinks that. But, the way this guy is going about it, he's grooming future activists into his ideology that everyone is non-binary, sexually. That heterosexual people could become aroused if they watch that stuff is not evidence that they're not heterosexual.

    I don's see any gaslighting in that story (about adults). I see a lot of gaslighting in this thread about other subjects though.
    Let me say this. There really isn't any such thing as homophobia. That's a term invented by activists to marginalize the people who disagree with them. There's no fear of homosexuals. Again, no one seriously thinks they'll catch the ghey. But, there is a belief that it is unnatural or abnormal. And especially by religious people, there is a belief that it is a sin.

    I don't have anything against gay people. They have every right to live the way they want without persecution. They should be free to do so. But they also don't have a right to demand society accepts them as "normal". This guy is trying to mainstream his ideology. And it IS an ideology.

    While it's a bit more common than a lot of religious people want to admit, homosexuality is no where near mainstream. This guy is asserting that it is. That's gaslighting. And characterizing this as "grooming" students to accept his ideology through gaslighting is appropriately descriptive.
     

    jamil

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    I'm not going to answer all of your comments because while I appreciate you willingness to engage in dialog, I feel that you are all over the map. This highlight sentence gets to the point of the issue.

    Telling children that LGBT people exist and that they are not perverts, isn't grooming, it is education. Being an ally to people who are demonized for existing isn't evil, it is proper education.
    Everyone knows that LGBT people exist. You wave flags for **** sake. How can people not know you exist?

    But no one is saying that all LGBT people are perverts. Or, that they're grooming. LGBT is not actually mainstream. It's fringe. The vast majority of people are heterosexual. But, that's not to say that LGBT have no rights or that anyone should ridicule them or discriminate against them.

    What they're grooming for is to make activists out of them by convincing young and impressionable people that it's way more mainstream than it is. Merely teaching them that LGBT exists and that they have rights is one thing. Trying to convince students that they ARE also LGBT is quite another.

    Have you ever read anything by the inventors of queer theory? Being an "ally" is a lot more than just sticking up for LGBT people. That word in quotes has a different meaning than the one we find in dictionaries.

    It's not "education" to gaslight people into believing something is mainstream when it isn't. It's grooming with one's nutty ideology.
     
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