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  • roscott

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    I wasn't sure whether or not I wanted to post this, but I guess I'll go ahead anyway.

    I recently moved, along with a few college friends, into a house just a couple miles from campus. The neighborhood, while not great, isn't terrible either.

    My roommate Michael, invited his sister to stay with us for a few nights, so she was sleeping on the couch downstairs this evening.

    My second night in the house, I wake up to Michael shaking me and saying, "Get up! There's someone in the house!" Apparently his sister had awoken to some guy moving around near her in the night, and she had run upstairs to warn us. Thankfully, she had managed to get upstairs without the intruder seeing her.

    I get up, grab my XD9 and my Surefire, and start to head toward the stairs. I see Michael (here's the funny part) grab my pocketknife from my dresser, open it, and hold it like a sword in front of him. Despite the tension, I can't help but chuckle, and I grab my .380 carry gun and hand it to him.

    We head down the stairs, turn the corner, and I see a large man standing in my hallway. I fix the light on him, and ask him what he's doing in my house.

    He hesitates awkwardly, and mumbles something unclear, so I repeat the question louder. He mutters something indistinguishable again, so I tell him he needs to leave. In response, he asks me to take the light out of his eyes, saying he has sensitive eyes.

    I'll add at this point that the guy was obviously on something. Either drunk or high, but he just wasn't totally with it, which made me additionally cautious.

    I left the light in his eyes, and again demanded that he get out of my house. I nodded toward the door and told him, "There's the door, get out."

    At this point he began walking toward the door, then changed direction slightly and began walking toward me. I realized at that point that I didn't want to shoot him, but I really thought I was going to have to shoot. Fortunately, he seemed to rethink his actions, and again headed to the door.

    We finally got him out, and we all breathed a sigh of relief. We realized in the morning that he had come in through a window.

    In hindsight, I realize a couple things I could have done differently.

    1. I should have called 911 or had someone call as I went downstairs.

    2. Some might say that I should have held him until police arrived. While this might have worked, if I demanded that he stay where he was and he refused, I would be faced with a difficult decision of whether to try to restrain him by force, or to let him go.

    So there it is. My actions may not have been perfect, but I felt that I handled the situation reasonably, and I managed to make it through the night without killing anyone.
     

    Vasili

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    You handled this pretty good.
    The only thing I'd worry about now is the possibility of another zombie attack when he gets hopped up again.

    Still, that's more of a personal decision, and you handled it well and did good.

    No one died. pretty impressive.
     

    Joe Williams

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    1. I should have called 911 or had someone call as I went downstairs.

    2. Some might say that I should have held him until police arrived. While this might have worked, if I demanded that he stay where he was and he refused, I would be faced with a difficult decision of whether to try to restrain him by force, or to let him go.
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    1 = yep

    2= screw that! You want the threat removed, best way to do that is for him to leave. Let the cops catch him later... if you called 911 :D You did the right thing.

    3 = especially when he turned back to you, you may wish to consider letting him know you are armed, and will shoot him if he doesn't leave.
     

    eldirector

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    Wow. Sounds like quite the scare. Hindsight being 20-20, I'm sure there are lots of improvements. At least you all got through it without injury.

    Yeah, next time your roomie can dial 911. What was a pocket knife going to do, anyway?

    Time to check your security. Doors, windows, etc.... If this guy can get in, then someone with evil intentions can as well. I'd go ahead with a police report as well.

    Stay safe!
     

    Cru

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    My only worry would be if he was coherent enough to know where he was that it's possible he's come back more prepared. Probably unlikely, but something to think about. You handled it well as far as I can tell. If his movement towards me was aggressive at all I would have probably pulled the trigger. Not because I would want to or to feel cool, but at that point I'm not taking chances.

    Agreed with the have SOMEONE call 911, probably the guy that didn't know how to handle a knife. (I probably wouldn't have given him a gun ;) )
     

    E5RANGER375

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    i wasnt there so i hate to monday morning quarterback, but for the sake of discusion i will anyways.

    the first thing that should have happened is for you to call 911. second, i wouldnt give anyone a gun that doesnt even know how to hold a knife. 3rd, if i knew everyone was accounted for i would have remained in my location and guarded the entrances and waited for the police.

    But, lets just say, i wanted to be rambo and go downstairs ........

    i would have told him to lay flat on the ground and not move a g** damn inch towards me or i would blow off his f***ing head. and i would hold true to my statement. <<< and thats me being nice and letting him live because there are witnesses other than my family members. no witnesses and i would have killed him dead without a second thought.
     

    DagerOne

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    I see Michael (here's the funny part) grab my pocketknife from my dresser, open it, and hold it like a sword in front of him. Despite the tension, I can't help but chuckle, and I grab my .380 carry gun and hand it to him.

    This is the only part that concerns me. Well, this and you should have had someone call 911 but you already recognized that. I don't know your roommate, but I just suspect that if he's thinking a pocket knife (particularly one held like a sword ;) ) is going to be effective, perhaps he's not the most reliable guy to arm with a gun. Maybe you guys go shooting all of the time, maybe he's a seasoned shooter, I don't know...just doesn't sound like the response I'd expect from someone who is ready to handle a gun in the situation you guys were in. I could be completely off-base.

    Still...no one was hurt, so well done. :)

    EDIT: And now I see a string of folks who were thinking the same thing that I was. Guess I need to type faster.
     

    Gabriel

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    1 = yep

    2= screw that! You want the threat removed, best way to do that is for him to leave. Let the cops catch him later... if you called 911 :D You did the right thing.

    3 = especially when he turned back to you, you may wish to consider letting him know you are armed, and will shoot him if he doesn't leave.

    Exactly. You want the threat to be gone. You don't need it sitting in the house waiting for the poilce.


    It's possible that with the light in his eyes he initially didn't see that you were armed, which may be why he started toward you before turing to leave. :dunno:
     

    Prometheus

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    I can't imagine just telling someone to leave after they broke into my home.

    They get two choices, voluntarily prone out or do so secondary to acute lead poisoning. Like E5Ranger, that's on a good day.

    While it is wonderful you and those who belong in the house were unharmed, the intruder gets a free pass for breaking into someones home. Zero consequences except for a headache due to your light.

    As to hiding up stairs until the cops come... It's my property and if I feel like exploring it, I will.

    I won't be hiding up stairs waiting for "men braver than I am to come rescue me" unless I have strong reason to believe there truly is a superior force waiting in ambush for me and I know without a doubt everyone in the house is completely secured behind me.

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    'I value my life higher than that of the average cop, so I'm going to let them get shot... cause cops suck... of course when the cop shows up and shoots me instead, well cops still suck and I proved my point...'

    I can't figure out that logic. I suppose that, yes, the life of a public servant is less than that of the Citizens, but still, that's just harsh. :n00b:

    Obviously if you are physically incapable, thats another story. That's pretty self explanatory though.
     
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    88GT

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    I can't imagine just telling someone to leave after they broke into my home.

    They get two choices, voluntarily prone out or do so secondary to acute lead poisoning. Like E5Ranger, that's on a good day.

    While it is wonderful you and those who belong in the house were unharmed, the intruder gets a free pass for breaking into someones home. Zero consequences except for a headache due to your light.

    As to hiding up stairs until the cops come... It's my property and if I feel like exploring it, I will.

    Glad to see I'm not the only one with this opinion. Granted, it might play out differently if it were to happen. If the plick runs towards an exit, I'll probably opt to let him go. Otherwise, he gets the "move a muscle and I'll take the appropriate response to protect myself and my family" response. I can't take the risk that what appears to be movement towards a door is just a feint intended to catch me off-guard.

    No, sir. I won't take that chance.
     

    Srtsi4wd

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    My concern in letting him go was what he was going to do once he got outside. Hang out? Run? to his car? that may have superior firepower within? :dunno:

    What if this guy had an AK or AR type rifle he had pilfered from someone elses house waiting in the car? :ar15: I know that's an extreme example, but it is a possibility.

    He wouldn't have left my sights until LEOs arrive. The only way an uninvited guest leaves my home is with an escort, LEO or the coroner. It's their choice, I will ensure the safety of my family.:ingo:
     

    jbombelli

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    If someone comes into MY home uninvited, I'm pulling the trigger on them. I'm glad it all worked out for the OP, but repeated admonitions to leave aren't my way of handling intruders.
     

    OZZY.40

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    Good job in handling the situation. Next time give your roommate a bat, maybe he can handle it better( a nervous person with a gun might shoot anyone, including you.)
     

    IndySSD

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    Yeah, I'm wondering if it's someone who used to crash there when someone else lived there maybe?

    All things considered, no one got hurt this time and you learned some valuable lessons. I bet it won't be hard to get your roomy and his sister to lock up after themselves from now on.

    Definitely should have called 911 and stayed away from him though. Maybe waking up in jail and getting a "OMG I walked into my buddys house? But he moved like 3 months ago.... [insert lightbulb here] oops!!" would have been good for everyone involved.
     

    Tactical Dave

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    I have delt with people that are drunk or on something more times then I can coun't..... most of the time they are either one one side of the fence or the other..... they are either so drunk that they just pass out... or they get beligerant and will cause problems or do what they want.... sometimes they are in the middle and know they are out of it but listen to reason a little.

    My wife and I will not leave the room if our son is safe with us.... open the door and it will end badly for you... as a rule I have never gone out and looked for a fight... ever..... but if one comes to me I have no problem finishing it.....


    Did someone leave a door un locked or something? I have known of a few drunk person stories that did not end bad because the homeowner/person in the apartment kept the door locked and just told the person they were at the wrong house and they left.
     

    Cemetery-man

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    Good job!

    I didn't see anywhere where you mentioned if he was armed or not. If not, then it's probably a good thing you didn't kill him. It would be tough to prove self defense requiring deadly force was necessary when it was 3 adults against an obviously intoxicated/stoned and unarmed intruder.

    As mentioned above, for all you know it could have been a drunk neighbor, who had the wrong house and thinking his wife had locked him out crawled in through the window. It's not far fetched. I've had to do it a few times myself in my younger days.:)
     

    E5RANGER375

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    Good job!

    I didn't see anywhere where you mentioned if he was armed or not. If not, then it's probably a good thing you didn't kill him. It would be tough to prove self defense requiring deadly force was necessary when it was 3 adults against an obviously intoxicated/stoned and unarmed intruder.

    As mentioned above, for all you know it could have been a drunk neighbor, who had the wrong house and thinking his wife had locked him out crawled in through the window. It's not far fetched. I've had to do it a few times myself in my younger days.:)

    not hard to prove you were in fear of your life at all. a big guy that looked pumped up on drugs who OBVIOUSLY broke into your house and then make a threatening move towards you after you told him to leave and gave him a chance. yeah, i think deadly force was very much authorized here. and if theres no witnesses then guess what?? he might just end up with something in his hands or a bat laying against the wall that he was trying to go after.

    sorry but my house is my castle, and i will do what I feel neccessary inside of it. i dont care what a dumb law says. i will do anything i can to protect my life and my families. i will let my lawyer work out the details afterwards
     

    DragonGunner

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    You did OK this time, yes calling 911 could of been done, not sure about giving the roomate a gun...don't think if someone was prowling around in my house I would be almost laughing the way my roommate was holding a knife. What if the perp was armed with a handgun just as you incountered him an shine your light in his eyes...who would of fired first...?...you or him...? If you fired first would he still get a round off or two at you an your both dead...? Not saying to anyone not to investigate your own house...I would....but realize what the risks are if they are locked, cocked an ready to rock on you. Glad it woked for you an your safe, thanks for sharing.
     

    bigiron

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    i'd have turned the roommate with the knife on him for a while just to see what would happen. if it got out of hand i would have moved forward with lethal force but, seeing a drunk and a guy with a pocket(sword)knife go at it for a moment would have been good youtube fodder.
     
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