Y.... Y-you've seen the videos, right?
I get holding judgement on some things... but video can take a lot of that speculation away
Right here this is what I'm talkin about.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZNtGpRWoAY0Ns1?format=jpg&name=large
How many times has it been said on these forums not to jump to conclusions when these types of events happen.
Edit: and more https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/29/george-floyd-died-police-restraint-combined-health/
I mean it seems to me they are saying he didn't die from being choked to death from the officer's knee on him. Instead, they seem to be suggesting he died from a heart attack because of the stress of the situation. Therefore, IF that is proven true, the officer may not be guilty of murder.
I can hear the defense attorney's question now, "Doctor, in your expert opinion, if Mr Floyd had not had a heart attack, would he have survive 9 mins with the defendant's knee on his neck?"
and depending on the answer, it could be case closed.
Its probably already been said in this thread but we don't know all the evidence.
And now even some LEs are jumping on the prejudgement bandwagon.
Negative. LE are jumping on the they ****ed up bandwagon. And they did. Positional asphyxiation, like I said. The knee on the neck is a different issue. Holding a guy down on his face is a known risk in LE and one that was not warranted here. But let's branch out. You give me ANY scenario that allows a police officer to legally and ethically hold a suspect who is not physically combative prone. Any scenario at all. He shot a cop fifteen seconds before they handcuffed him. He kicked the **** out of twelve officers and knocked out a mule. Anything at all you like. You do that and I'll kiss your ass in front of the courthouse and you give you half an hour to draw a crowd. But you can't, because it doesn't exist. Once he's under control it is the officer's responsibility to safeguard him and his health.
Dude, this **** is not academic to me. I've had an in-custody death. It was a fight that left me seriously injured and him, eventually, dead. It sucked worse then shooting someone a hundred fold. Shooting someone who needed to be shot was nothing. I was actually a little worried about how not worried I was. Being involved in a man's death that I didn't mean to die was heart-wrenching. You know what saved me from a massive civil suit? It was recorded. I made him lay on his side. I held him there despite him continuing to fight me and a deputy and despite the fact I was injured and needed medical aid myself. On the recording you can hear me telling him he can't lay on his stomach because it can kill him while he yells "eff you" at me. He was alive when I left him to get in an ambulance myself but was dead when he arrived at lockup.
So tell me, give me one scenario where these guys were justified in holding down someone not fighting them, even if he had been fighting earlier.
Save your judgey bull**** for someone who hasn't been there.
Everything I'm seeing on the news backs you up BBI (unsurprisingly). Everything that you've said all along is being repeated.
Like I said, man, not my first rodeo and none of this is secret in LE circles. I'm not some unique guru here. This stuff has been known for decades. This isn't just somebody losing their temper and getting in a "late hit" or the like. I can understand and forgive that. You've got to pay for it, actions have consequences, but I understand. This I can't understand. I hate it. I hate the reaction to it. That's why I said what I said about participation. Not that I feel like somebody is picking on me or the like, but holy **** how much negativity do I need to roll in? For what? I'm taking tomorrow off work and going to the woods. If the world burns somebody else can put it out. I'm done.
Some wisdom from Lil Wayne. Never thought I’d say that.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/lil-...h-of-facts-we-think-we-know-that-we-dont-know
Ben Crump clearly has no idea about the law. While I agree that this was likely murder, there is no way it could be construed as first degree (pre-meditated) murder. He's a scumbag. No better than an ambulance chaser.
Enjoy your day off tomorrow BBI. Never know, things might be better when you get back. I’m not holding my breath either, but it’s a good thought.Like I said, man, not my first rodeo and none of this is secret in LE circles. I'm not some unique guru here. This stuff has been known for decades. This isn't just somebody losing their temper and getting in a "late hit" or the like. I can understand and forgive that. You've got to pay for it, actions have consequences, but I understand. This I can't understand. I hate it. I hate the reaction to it. That's why I said what I said about participation. Not that I feel like somebody is picking on me or the like, but holy **** how much negativity do I need to roll in? For what? I'm taking tomorrow off work and going to the woods. If the world burns somebody else can put it out. I'm done.
Negative. LE are jumping on the they ****ed up bandwagon. And they did. Positional asphyxiation, like I said. The knee on the neck is a different issue. Holding a guy down on his face is a known risk in LE and one that was not warranted here. But let's branch out. You give me ANY scenario that allows a police officer to legally and ethically hold a suspect who is not physically combative prone. Any scenario at all. He shot a cop fifteen seconds before they handcuffed him. He kicked the **** out of twelve officers and knocked out a mule. Anything at all you like. You do that and I'll kiss your ass in front of the courthouse and you give you half an hour to draw a crowd. But you can't, because it doesn't exist. Once he's under control it is the officer's responsibility to safeguard him and his health.
Dude, this **** is not academic to me. I've had an in-custody death. It was a fight that left me seriously injured and him, eventually, dead. It sucked worse then shooting someone a hundred fold. Shooting someone who needed to be shot was nothing. I was actually a little worried about how not worried I was. Being involved in a man's death that I didn't mean to die was heart-wrenching. You know what saved me from a massive civil suit? It was recorded. I made him lay on his side. I held him there despite him continuing to fight me and a deputy and despite the fact I was injured and needed medical aid myself. On the recording you can hear me telling him he can't lay on his stomach because it can kill him while he yells "eff you" at me. He was alive when I left him to get in an ambulance myself but was dead when he arrived at lockup.
So tell me, give me one scenario where these guys were justified in holding down someone not fighting them, even if he had been fighting earlier.
Save your judgey bull**** for someone who hasn't been there.
“Uuuuuhhhh, the cops acted stupidly” would be appropriate in this case anyway.Oh great... watching NBC news and apparently Obama has weighed in on this now. Can't wait to hear his take on it (not).
Oh great... watching NBC news and apparently Obama has weighed in on this now. Can't wait to hear his take on it (not).
Some wisdom from Lil Wayne. Never thought I’d say that.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/lil-...h-of-facts-we-think-we-know-that-we-dont-know
Yeah....I dunno. I'm too upset right now to make a rational statement about this.
The picture that keeps coming to me is a dog-catcher doing the same thing to a large dog with a muzzle on. Unfortunately, I think a lot more people would be furious if it was a Golden Retriever.
So....I'm just going to cool my jets for awhile on this. I can't say what I mean without getting angry.
Your post is a good one, however.
I got him for ya.
I'm gonna do it, because Colin was correct. I thought he was overreacting at the time, and made fun of him.
I was wrong.
Thank you sir.
When I first saw the video I was livid. I understand the outrage from the black community. It shouldn’t just be the black community that’s outraged. We should all be outraged. A defenseless man was essentially choked to death while in custody from people we entrust to protect us. The entire country should be outraged. But when you riot, it creates a divide. Now instead of us being able to unite and find a solution, you’re forced to choose to support riots, or be against them. This shouldn’t be about riots. This should be about justice.