Florida v. Ciener, Case Dismissed

[Kirk Freeman]

Charges against Johnathan A. Ciener are now dismissed.

It seems there was almost zero investigation and the police acted solely upon a few vocal complaints. "OK, OK, we'll arrest someone, just leave us alone."

It happens when business disputes become criminalized.

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[IndianaGTI]

Does that mean he is innocent?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Of a crime, yes.

Why this was filed I still cannot understand.

Business disputes should be civil, not criminal. The cops have enough to do without taking sides in a contractual dispute.

 

[IndianaGTI]

Oh, I just thought it meant that they could not prove he was guilty.

Sometimes a contract is a contract. Sometimes a contract is made strictly with intent to defraud.

Do you think that the State should not step in on home improvement fraud even if the contractor never does any work at any location? It was rampant before it was criminalized.

 

[wetidlerjr]

Ciener is still guilty of many other things.

 

[Destro]

Theft/fraud is not a civil matter...

This dude musta went to the same night school in FL as Jon Kruger AKA Anvil Arms

 

[trophy hunter]

well his brother is a lawyer....

 

[Birds Away]

Of a crime, yes.

Why this was filed I still cannot understand.

Business disputes should be civil, not criminal. The cops have enough to do without taking sides in a contractual dispute.

Then why does LE perform raids for unpaid Sallie Mae loans? They are not a government agency.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Theft/fraud is not a civil matter

Yes, it is. Both civil and criminal fraud exist.

I am happy that another attempt to criminalize a contract dispute was strangled in its crib.

 

[Indy317]

I guess the question would be when does civil fraud cross the line to criminal fraud? The story said 1% or less of orders were in question, the guy proved that he completed a lot of transactions. To me, criminal fraud would be when there was never ever a product going to be delivered, or what was delivered was in no way what was advertised.

 

[Destro]

maybe one of the 1% was a cop?