Florida CCW Came Today

[samwathegreat]

Sent off for it around the first of April. Issue date shows May 2, and it just came in the mail yesterday (May 12).

If I were to do it all over again, I'd go with the Arizona license, because it has the same recroprocity as Florida, except for Washington State. I'll never travel there.....

Arizona costs $60, and will accept your DD-214, any certificate from any firearm training course, OR a current LTCH or CCW from another state [that has a training requirement] to satisify the training requirements. It lasts 5 years, and you can renew for $43.

The Utah ccw that so many people seem to have, is expensive with the class you have to take, and you don't get New Mexico, or Kansas. You DO, however, get MN, which neither FL nor AZ get.

Any thoughts? I'd say FL is still the best choice, but the $117 is a little pricey.

 

[mrortega]

If you're an Indiana resident you're covered in NM and AZ with your Ind license. I have a Florida non-res and it makes me good in Ohio and Kansas and a few other western states. I just had to send my DD214 for proof of training (I guess if you've qualified on an M14, M16, M60 and M79 you can handle a little civy arm) and that was it. I'm on my second one and I think it's great.

 

[jdhaines]

Thanks for the information on the AZ permit. I have been putting off doing the FL one for awhile due to the cost. I really only want Ohio so the AZ is a better option. My previous training courses satisfy the requirement so I just asked for an application packet.

 

[samwathegreat]

Wrong....

Originally posted by mrortega:

"If you're an Indiana resident you're covered in NM and AZ with your Ind license. I have a Florida non-res and it makes me good in Ohio and Kansas and a few other western states. I just had to send my DD214 for proof of training (I guess if you've qualified on an M14, M16, M60 and M79 you can handle a little civy arm) and that was it. I'm on my second one and I think it's great."

mrortega: Wrong! NM does not honor Indiana's permit. See for yourself:

JUST an Indiana LTCH:

Now lets add a florida CCW:

OR, instead of FL, lets do IN + AZ License:

And finally, here is what we have with an IN + UT Permit:

So....as you can see, just as I said in my original post, Florida license gets one more state than UT: You get both NM and Kansas, but NOT MN.

With AZ, you get same number of states as UT, but instead of WA and MN, you get NM and KS.

And finally, with the Utah you end up with MN & WA, but NOT NM & KS.




If you're interested in the most possible number of states, then FL is the way to go. If you don't care about WA, definitely go with AZ because its WAYYYY cheaper.

And finally, I don't see why anyone would go with UT, because you HAVE to take their expensive class, and don't even get KS / NM....and I definitely see going to those states before I'd end up in MN or WA.

 

[samwathegreat]

For those of you who are interested, Arizona does NOT have non-resident applications available online. All you need to do is call the Arizona DPS CWP Unit in Phoenix and request that a non-resident application packet be sent to you.

Their number is (602) 256-6280

It took 2 days to receive the packet in the mail.

It's the easiest application I've ever seen for CCW. You don't have to have it notarized either...just send in the proof of training, application, 2 sets of fingerprints (they will send you the cards), and a money order. Takes about 60 days...

Good luck guys!

 

[cosermann]

. . .The Utah ccw that so many people seem to have, is expensive with the class you have to take. . .

Ah, but it's only $15 to renew, and the training can also be used by folks that don't have anything else to apply for the FL CCW.

http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/CFrenew.html

 

[samwathegreat]

Utah has a new law going into effect soon that will require non-resident UT permit holders to have a valid license in their state of residence. That's too bad for all of the IL / WI guys that can't get a permit in their home state, and decided to go with UT.

Anyways, the really great thing is that AZ accepts any valid LTCH from your home state as acceptable proof of training...so if you have your Indiana LTCH, make a copy of it, send it in, and you don't need to take a class.

Sure, I have IN + FL, but I'm still smacking myself for spending money on taking the NRA basic Pistol course AND paying the state of Florida $117 when I could have skipped the class, paid $60, and got Arizona instead.

 

[cosermann]

The AZ non-res license is relatively new, isn't it (last 4 yrs maybe)?

My understanding also, is that the IN LTCH is not acceptable proof of training because we do not have a training requirement for our LTCH, see excerpt below, paragraph N section 7 (per this link - http://www.azdps.gov/Links/ARS/?l=13/03112.htm ).

"A valid current or expired concealed weapon, firearm or handgun permit or license that is issued by another state or a political subdivision of another state and that has a training or testing requirement for initial issuance. "

Is there some other source that shows the IN LTCH is acceptable or has AZ law changed?

 

[samwathegreat]

I may stand corrected. I didn't read paragraph N, subsection 7...I simply asked the representative of Arizona DPS when I requested my non-resident application if my IN LTCH would satisify the requirements.

Perhaps we need to research this? I'll give them a call again and see if I get a different answer and report back.

 

[samwathegreat]

My conversation with DPS 5 minutes ago:

Me - "Hi, I have a question about obtaining a non-resident AZ Carry permit."

Rep - "Yes..."

Me - "Will my Indiana LTCH satisify the training requirements?"

Rep - "Hold on, let me check...."

Rep - "No, the Indiana Handgun Permit does not qualify, however, the Indiana hunters license does."

Me - "Thanks for your help"


So it seems I was inadvertantly misinformed. Cosermann is right. If you have a hunters license or a DD-214, send it in. Otherwise, you must have some other approved form of training.

 

[samwathegreat]

Just found some good news about the Utah permit:

Non-resident proof of permit. If you reside in a state that recognizes the validity of the Utah CFP or has reciprocity with Utah, you must obtain a CFP or CCW from your home state and submit a copy of it with your application for a Utah permit. For a list of reciprocal states click here. Residency will be determined by your state-issued identification. If your state does not recognize the Utah permit this does not apply.


So my earlier post was incorrect. If your home state recognizes Utah's permit then you MUST have a permit from your home state. Otherwise it doesn't apply. Residents of IL & WI are good to go.

 

[jdhaines]

All good info. I started to make a correction but you guys already corrected and fixed it. I emailed them about getting a packet, but I think I may call them. Even though I'm in the email generation, it's still sometimes faster to get someone on the phone.

 

[jdhaines]

I will add that I saw stated on their site that AZ doesn't distinguish between resident and non-resident. So it's the same process for all. Pretty cool.

 

[cosermann]

My conversation with DPS 5 minutes ago:

... Rep - "No, the Indiana Handgun Permit does not qualify, however, the Indiana hunters license does."

...

So it seems I was inadvertantly misinformed. Cosermann is right. If you have a hunters license or a DD-214, send it in. Otherwise, you must have some other approved form of training.

Sounds like maybe they're accepting the hunting license under the "hunter education or hunter safety" provision in paragraph N sec. 3 (see previous link).

 

[Wwwildthing]

I will add that I saw stated on their site that AZ doesn't distinguish between resident and non-resident. So it's the same process for all. Pretty cool.

Correct... however, your driver's license determines weather it's resident or non-resident in the eyes of the 'accepting' state.

For example - If you have a Arizona permit and a Indiana DL, Florida considers you a non-resident and will not honor the Arizona permit. You'd still need a IN LTCH (or Florida permit) to carry there.

The Indiana Hunter Education Course does qualify you for the Arizona permit (this is what I used).

Also be advised - I have it on very good authority, that Nevada will be adding Arizona reciprocity this year (June or July).

 

[Mr. Habib]

An NRA instructor certificate satisfies the AZ training requirement also.

 

[Wwwildthing]

An NRA instructor certificate satisfies the AZ training requirement also.

Actually, NRA Basic Pistol will suffice.

 

[Bapak2ja]

Well, I just mailed in my Florida application. With the Indiana LTCH I can travel from the Fort to the Keys, or out to Puget Sound. I still can't get SC, the Liberal Left Coast or Northeast, nor do I get the Socialist republics of Illinois and Wisconsin—but nobody can get those, it seems. So I am very happy with the Indiana LTCH and the Florida CCW. On top of that , I do not have to take a class. Seems about the best I can do.

 

[mms]

can any one confirm that the hunters ed course qualifies you for Florida cc i have heard it mentioned several times but was just wondering if people have first hand experience.

for my needs seems like the easiest addition to my ltch

 

[cosermann]

Link to Florida statute - The Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate

"(h) Demonstrates competence with a firearm by any one of the following:
1. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency of another state;"