It's only a debate to the rare few who have trouble with the four rules.
Maybe you should go ahead and start yet another thread about that, rather than pollute this sticky thread on safe gun handling?
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Firearms Safety Rules (from the late Col Jeff Cooper, shooter, trainer, hero)
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It's only a debate to the rare few who have trouble with the four rules.
Maybe you should go ahead and start yet another thread about that, rather than pollute this sticky thread on safe gun handling?
ANY range, hot or cold. Shouldn’t matter, should it?
I asked because I've been on a hot range when an individual broke the plain re-holstering so bad about 20 of us yelled AAAGGGHHHHH!!! The RSO was Coach, and that individual left shortly after it happened.
When I was teaching my kids firearm safety. They had to memorize the 4 rules and also Dad's 2 rules.
Dad's rule 1. Unless you are loading a gun for someone at the range. You drop the Mag, lock the slide back and check to see if it is loaded or not before handing it over with the slide still locked open.
Dad's rule 2. When receiving a gun from someone, check to see if it's loaded and then still the other rules apply just as much.
Dad's rule 1. Unless you are loading a gun for someone at the range. You drop the Mag, lock the slide back and check to see if it is loaded or not before handing it over with the slide still locked open.
Dad's rule 2. When receiving a gun from someone, check to see if it's loaded and then still the other rules apply just as much.
And a 5th that has been added to
LTC Cooper’s list by many of the military branches firearms safety guidelines,
LTC Cooper’s list by many of the military branches firearms safety guidelines,
- Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to fire.
NHT3
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I'm good with the four and I'm sure there's more than one thread here on effectiveness, or lack of concerning active safeties. Citing Government agencies procedures to muck up the Col's 4 rules is the last source I would personally consider
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Read this article:
The IMPD officer reminds everyone to “treat every gun as if it’s loaded”. The shooter said he “didn’t think the gun was loaded”.
Again, what good does it do teaching everyone to pretend a gun is always loaded when it gives them an excuse to point people and pull the trigger when they think it isn’t?
LOADED OR NOT DOES NOT MATTER. Rule number one for safe gun handling is SAFE DIRECTION ALWAYS.
Oh, and what the hell does a manual safety have to do with anything? Just as likely to get you killed in a high stress situation as prevent stupidity. The best safety in a firearm is between the handler’s ears.
The IMPD officer reminds everyone to “treat every gun as if it’s loaded”. The shooter said he “didn’t think the gun was loaded”.
Again, what good does it do teaching everyone to pretend a gun is always loaded when it gives them an excuse to point people and pull the trigger when they think it isn’t?
LOADED OR NOT DOES NOT MATTER. Rule number one for safe gun handling is SAFE DIRECTION ALWAYS.
Oh, and what the hell does a manual safety have to do with anything? Just as likely to get you killed in a high stress situation as prevent stupidity. The best safety in a firearm is between the handler’s ears.
Hell, even a lawyer quoted in that news article gets a teachable moment wrong. It’s negligent homicide because the shooter failed to see if the gun was loaded before pointing it at someone and pulling the trigger? So I guess it is OK to point a gun and someone and pull the trigger after you confirm it’s unloaded?
I’m not talking about legality here, I’m talking about what you would teach your kids. The only time it’s acceptable to point a firearm at anyone whether it’s loaded or not or whether you think it’s loaded or not is if they represent a threat or must need to be stopped to preserve innocent life or prevent grave injury of same. Of course, this excludes professional training scenarios, and things even go wrong there.
I’m not talking about legality here, I’m talking about what you would teach your kids. The only time it’s acceptable to point a firearm at anyone whether it’s loaded or not or whether you think it’s loaded or not is if they represent a threat or must need to be stopped to preserve innocent life or prevent grave injury of same. Of course, this excludes professional training scenarios, and things even go wrong there.
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I hate how the word “gunman” gets constantly used. Gotta get the word “gun” in there whenever they can.
And they still managed it here with a negligent discharge shooting.
“Witnesses claim the shooting was an accident, but that didn’t stop the GUNMAN from being booked into jail…”
NRA’s 3 Rules are even simpler and came long after Colonel Cooper’s 4 Rules:
3 Rules, not 4. Maybe just 2 rules. - Notes from KR
On several of the blogs I read, people often refer to the “4 rules of gun safety” and quote the rules defined by Jeff Cooper of Gunsite. They are All guns are always loaded! Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy! Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights...
blog.krtraining.com
If any of you don’t take time to read the whole blog post above (which systematically examines three rules versus four), at least read the last paragraph.
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NHT3
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Teaching new shooters is a challenge and the more information introduced assures a greater percentage will be lost/forgotten because it's all new information to them. When I teach I STRESS, treat every gun you touch like it's loaded. Blue gun, SIRT pistol, anything that resembles a gun and you handle like a gun. "It's a lifestyle change" Clint Smith's phrase, not mine but that is the ONE thing that will keep you and those around you safe.
Timjoebillybob
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Except it doesn't, by pointing a gun at a person because you think it is unloaded is a direct violation of that rule.
I read it, and honestly I don't really care. Not about the article that is, but the 3 vs 4. Both do the same. But the last paragraph specifically reinforces my statement above.NRA’s 3 Rules are even simpler and came long after Colonel Cooper’s 4 Rules:
3 Rules, not 4. Maybe just 2 rules. - Notes from KR
On several of the blogs I read, people often refer to the “4 rules of gun safety” and quote the rules defined by Jeff Cooper of Gunsite. They are All guns are always loaded! Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy! Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights...
If any of you don’t take time to read the whole blog post above (which systematically examines three rules versus four), at least read the last paragraph.
"Cooper supposedly put “All Guns are Always Loaded” as his rule #1 because the #1 mistake people make handling guns is to violate all the other rules under the excuse that “it’s unloaded”."
If you prefer the 3 rules vs 4, teach that. And vice versa. Either one practiced will result in the same outcome.
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