FBI Seizes Couple's Life-Savings Without Charging Them of Crime…

[BigRed]

Just gonna throw this out there... Let's say that a business is discovered to be a front for Mexican cartels, importing fentanyl into the country. The business is owned by an American citizen. Okay to take their **** after they have been convicted? I say yes.

If charged and convicted of criminal activity, sure.

It is not "seize first" and then "due process" (despite what trump says). That is what "civil forfieture" is.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

If charged and convicted of criminal activity, sure.

It is not "seize first" and then "due process" (despite what trump says). That is what "civil forfieture" is.

What about freezing of accounts and assets, as has been done in the past? Money hasn't been taken, but it's been made inaccessible.

 

[BigRed]

What about freezing of accounts and assets, as has been done in the past? Money hasn't been taken, but it's been made inaccessible.

What is the difference?

How would it be any different than saying, "You still own your rifle, but you cannot access it"?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

What is the difference?

How would it be any different than saying, "You still own your rifle, but you cannot access it"?

I'm thinking in terms of a "buffer" period. Kinda like, "Now just hold on a cotton pickin' minute there! WTF is going on here? Okay, we're gonna hit "pause" and see just what's what."

I can think of several .gov agencies to which that would apply, can't you?

 

[patience0830]

Wonder if they could have stolen their bitcoin? Don’t think so.

It's not worth anything anyway.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

It's not worth anything anyway.

Sure it is! It's worth whatever they imagine it to be.

 

[jamil]

What about freezing of accounts and assets, as has been done in the past? Money hasn't been taken, but it's been made inaccessible.

No. Government taking away rights without due process is unconstitutional.

 

[BigRed]

I'm thinking in terms of a "buffer" period. Kinda like, "Now just hold on a cotton pickin' minute there! WTF is going on here? Okay, we're gonna hit "pause" and see just what's what."

I can think of several .gov agencies to which that would apply, can't you?

Sure.

The "pause" is smacking down state when it strays from its constraint, not depriving one of property whom has not been charged and convicted.

 

[d.kaufman]

What about freezing of accounts and assets, as has been done in the past? Money hasn't been taken, but it's been made inaccessible.

Makes it really tough to get an attorney when you can't access your money

 

[Ingomike]

Just gonna throw this out there... Let's say that a business is discovered to be a front for Mexican cartels, importing fentanyl into the country. The business is owned by an American citizen. Okay to take their **** after they have been convicted? I say yes.

A hard NO! If the fine structure covers it, so be it, but seizure of citizens property is wrong, anytime.

 

[Ingomike]

I'm thinking in terms of a "buffer" period. Kinda like, "Now just hold on a cotton pickin' minute there! WTF is going on here? Okay, we're gonna hit "pause" and see just what's what."

I can think of several .gov agencies to which that would apply, can't you?

If they do not have probable cause they should keep their grubby fingers of of it…

 

[KG1]

Makes it really tough to get an attorney when you can't access your money

It's even tougher when GoFundme won't allow you to raise money for your legal defense.

 

[jamil]

"nor shall any person...be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

What so hard to understand about "nor shall?"

 

[KG1]

I'm thinking in terms of a "buffer" period. Kinda like, "Now just hold on a cotton pickin' minute there! WTF is going on here? Okay, we're gonna hit "pause" and see just what's what."

I can think of several .gov agencies to which that would apply, can't you?

I'm all for hitting a pause on the corrupt FBI and the thieving ATF's access to funds.

 

[jamil]

I'm thinking in terms of a "buffer" period. Kinda like, "Now just hold on a cotton pickin' minute there! WTF is going on here? Okay, we're gonna hit "pause" and see just what's what."

I can think of several .gov agencies to which that would apply, can't you?

If they can hit pause on a person's ability to access their assets, do the person's creditors get paused too? Due process.

 

[actaeon277]

Maybe EVERYONE should be putting pressure on their senators and representatives

 

[jwamplerusa]

About the 10th stanza down in The XXVIII Amendment proposal was written for just this sort of forfeiture taking.

What is your ideal political structure?

Discussion inevitably turns to food Apparently this thread has run its course I think we could do worse than a system centered on the importance of personal honor and integrity in all things, so Bushido

www.indianagunowners.com

 

[BigRed]

Maybe EVERYONE should be putting pressure on their senators and representatives

How many tons would you recommend?

 

[Shadow01]

if we elect a few more republicans to office, this would be fixed.

 

[drillsgt]

if we elect a few more republicans to office, this would be fixed.

Right, if we just give them the Presidency, House, and Senate think what they could do...