Drug Test to Receive Welfare?

[mikea46996]

Before the welfare system was created (the country wasn't BORN with welfare), the government didn't hand out candy to those who couldn't afford it. People relied on their families, their churches, and their communities to help them if they for some reason could NOT help themselves. I would rather be able to choose to help someone who is down on their luck than be forced to through taxation to support a failing program.

Pami I agree 100%!!!!!! You got a sister or cousin??? Hmmmm your into guns and your intelligent any more like you at home??? Tell Lars he had better hold on to you, your a catch!!

O.K now that I am done flirting with the MOD...LMAO

 

[mikea46996]

OK, I don't see where the unions pay into the unmenployment program that I pay into...show me where they do.


If I as an employer pay into the system, and my employees do not, what entitlement do they have to those funds...other than the bumb welfare setup they put in place?

ATF I refuse to argue with you some unions have an unemployment fund that is paid into through payroll deduction, mine does I know many of the Chitcongo unions do. I do not know if the Indiana locals do so I can not speak for them so I digress.

I understand that you as an employer pay into unemployment, and if the employee was terminated for job performance or other issues fight it you shouldn't have to pay!!! Unemployment is a short term help you out till you locate another job thing, do people abuse and milk it just like the welfare system??? Yes... I can see your side also.

I'll tell you what let's do away with it too!! The money that employers put into it lets put that on the check instead then if you are to lazy or stupid to put alittle away for hard times you have nobody to blame but yourself..

 

[ATF Consumer]

ATF I refuse to argue with you some unions have an unemployment fund that is paid into through payroll deduction, mine does I know many of the Chitcongo unions do. I do not know if the Indiana locals do so I can not speak for them so I digress.

I understand that you as an employer pay into unemployment, and if the employee was terminated for job performance or other issues fight it you shouldn't have to pay!!! Unemployment is a short term help you out till you locate another job thing, do people abuse and milk it just like the welfare system??? Yes... I can see your side also. I let an employee go last April...he's still milking.

I'll tell you what let's do away with it too!! The money that employers put into it lets put that on the check instead then if you are to lazy or stupid to put alittle away for hard times you have nobody to blame but yourself..Um, how about that money goes towards my profit...why does an employee deserve more money than the market demands? You fail to realize that this is nothing more than a tax...taking from those that work and giving to those that don't.[/quote]

If you pay into a union and the union inturn pays out conpensation for your time off, that is ok with me, but if no union is participating into the system, that is pure socialism.

 

[Hoosier Gun Coat]

ABSOLUTLY!!! Most have to pass drug tests to work. They should have to pass drug tests to receive handouts. Should be mandatory.

My Way News - States consider drug tests for welfare recipients

 

[Turtle]

I'm not a DEM, But I am a rational thinker. Theres not enough churches and strong family's left. SCUTTER Is the most correct so far IMHO. I believe the system should encourage higher learning and help people get training for jobs. But look at the unemployment factor. I know one of my problems getting off the system was finding work and getting to work when I had no cash and no car. People don't help people these days, We have lost those values. WE have become a world of haves and have not's. This forum being mostly the HAVE's. I respect your hard work or luck in your lives. But you cannot truly understand unless you lived it. I mean honestly a lot of people are lazy and crack dealers and so forth.... But Alto are just un-lucky, Do you think most women get knocked up thinking there mans gonna leave them?...lol And when an uneducated woman cant find a good enough job to pay bills and child care... we call her trash. then the next guy shows up takes care of her then leaves her after another baby.... yay and the cycle continues. Welfare is being fueled by deadbeat dads. WE broke the system, WE abused it, And we let it become a corrupt government entity.

And umm let us not forget weed is a cheap and abundant medicine. Who says they are buying it, or any drug. Drugs and alcohol are social. People rarely do them alone. But I know you believe that if your poor and on welfare you should be clean church going, non-cussing god fearing people. And not normal everyday people that just happen to be in a rough time. And when you cant afford to drive your car then pay for a movie. or goto a bar. Because you don't have 50$ to blow in one night. But hey 50 will get you gas, cigarettes, a 12pak and maybe some wacky tobacky. thats entertainment that last a few days. BUT I'm guessing yall are so rich that you never had a family member get food stamps and you so pure that you would never do any tyle of drug except alcohol (ITS legal) well the majority of people arnt that lucky come off your pedestals before you fall and really hurt yourself.

Its so easy not to see anything you dont want to see when you have money. Its so easy to sit online and hide your face and speak of things we know little about. And scream someone should do something when you dont care enough to get off our asses and take action yourself.

But sure let people die in the streets. Let all the poor die. That would make you all patriots! Or would it make you no better than the people you despise? Class division? or destruction.... I hate the rich they are all corrupt. I'm proud to live in south port and to have nice things and be who I am. But I will never forget where I came from. I will never forget how lucky I am and how close I was to being swallowed by the system.

 

[INRanger]

Unemployment when you lose your job is fair, after all it expires. I have a dead beat relation who has been milking the welfare system for 20+ years. She manages to be fat, lazy, stoned and in possession of a far larger collection of DVDs and X-Box360 games than most of the people on this board. It is human nature that when they receive something for nothing they will never want to give something for what they were already getting for free.

 

[mikea46996]

I'm not a DEM, But I am a rational thinker. Theres not enough churches and strong family's left. SCUTTER Is the most correct so far IMHO. I believe the system should encourage higher learning and help people get training for jobs. But look at the unemployment factor. I know one of my problems getting off the system was finding work and getting to work when I had no cash and no car. People don't help people these days, We have lost those values. WE have become a world of haves and have not's. This forum being mostly the HAVE's. I respect your hard work or luck in your lives. But you cannot truly understand unless you lived it. I mean honestly a lot of people are lazy and crack dealers and so forth.... But Alto are just un-lucky, Do you think most women get knocked up thinking there mans gonna leave them?
Birth control it is called being responsible for your self.
...lol And when an uneducated woman cant find a good enough job to pay bills and child care... we call her trash. then the next guy shows up takes care of her then leaves her after another baby.... yay and the cycle continues.
Most people learn from their mistakes.
Welfare is being fueled by deadbeat dads. WE broke the system, WE abused it, And we let it become a corrupt government entity.

And umm let us not forget weed is a cheap and abundant medicine.
Cheap??? Where???Medicine???
Who says they are buying it, or any drug. Drugs and alcohol are social.
OK so even if you aren't paying for it don't you think your chances of finding a job and caring for your family are better off without your"social medicine"?
People rarely do them alone.
Peer Pressure?? HMMM yeah lets see take responsibility or get stoned and forget about how life sucks?
But I know you believe that if your poor and on welfare you should be clean church going, non-cussing god fearing people.
Nope don't believe you need to be on welfare to be like this.
And not normal everyday people that just happen to be in a rough time. And when you cant afford to drive your car then pay for a movie. or goto a bar. Because you don't have 50$ to blow in one night. But hey 50 will get you gas, cigarettes, a 12pak and maybe some wacky tobacky.
$50 dollars could also feed a family of four if used properly.
thats entertainment that last a few days.
Entertainment is not needed for survival it is a luxury.
BUT I'm guessing yall are so rich that you never had a family member get food stamps and you so pure that you would never do any tyle of drug except alcohol (ITS legal) well the majority of people arnt that lucky come off your pedestals before you fall and really hurt yourself.
Don't worry if I fall off my pedestal I will fall on my nice carpet in my nice home that I worked HARD to pay for.
Its so easy not to see anything you dont want to see when you have money. Its so easy to sit online and hide your face and speak of things we know little about. And scream someone should do something when you dont care enough to get off our asses and take action yourself.
Guess you missed the part about donating to food kitchens and sponsoring a family every christmas.
But sure let people die in the streets.
Take responsibility I am not going to hold your hand and walk you through life I have a hard enough time on my own.
Let all the poor die. That would make you all patriots! Or would it make you no better than the people you despise? Class division? or destruction.... I hate the rich they are all corrupt.
Yeah none of the rich ever did any hard work or used God given talent to better themseleves.
I'm proud to live in south port and to have nice things and be who I am. But I will never forget where I came from. I will never forget how lucky I am and how close I was to being swallowed by the system.

You are Proud because you bettered yourself!!!!

You were not Lucky, you made it happen!!!

 

[jennybird]

Ok, ok, enough with the pissing contest. Allow me to clear something up for you kids... Unemployment is an INSURANCE. Yes, that's right, insurance. It is a benefit (albeit required) just like health insurance or a 401k. It is an insurance for those who lose their jobs by legitimate means to keep their heads above water until they find another job. Welfare is a GOVERNMENT PROGRAM (NOT insurance) funded by tax dollars. Welfare is to assist folks with crappy paying jobs, the disabled, single parents, and folks with similar "hard times" situations. There is a huge difference. With that said, all of you need to learn what you're talking about and stop acting like asshats.

Stop with the sob stories, I don't want to hear em. I have one of my own so yours really doesn't persuade me. If you're on welfare, you deserve to be drug tested. I have to be drug tested to get/keep my job, why shouldn't you be tested in order to receive the taxes I pay as a result of my job? It's simple common sense and there is no room for hypocracy.

As for people starving to death on the street because of drug testing? Give me a break. You really think starving will kill those people before the drugs will? They're selling their food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar and buying drugs with it. HELLO!!! I don't think they're too concerned with where their next meal is coming from. What pipe have you been smoking to come up with such a ridiculous argument?

If you can't/won't work and insist on living off of my tax dollars, don't for one second expect me to be ok with the idea of paying for your drugs too.

Now, with all that said, I personally think drug testing is an invasion of privacy. What I do outside of work, or in another country (Amsterdam for instance) is no one's business. The only exception would be those on the welfare system and anyone applying for citizenship.

 

[ATF Consumer]

I'm not a DEM, But I am a rational thinker. Theres not enough churches and strong family's left. SCUTTER Is the most correct so far IMHO. I believe the system should encourage higher learning and help people get training for jobs. But look at the unemployment factor. I know one of my problems getting off the system was finding work and getting to work when I had no cash and no car. People don't help people these days, We have lost those values. WE have become a world of haves and have not's. I heard Rush yesterday, and he was noting how charitable contributions were dished out, based on Liberal vs Conservative...the Conservatives won, hands down...Heck, Obama only gave 1%. This forum being mostly the HAVE's. I respect your hard work or luck in your lives. But you cannot truly understand unless you lived it. I mean honestly a lot of people are lazy and crack dealers and so forth.... But Alto are just un-lucky, Do you think most women get knocked up thinking there mans gonna leave them? So you would like to put them on the responsibility of the rest of the tax payers?...lol And when an uneducated woman cant find a good enough job to pay bills and child care Is it the tax payers fault she is uneducated? Must I be responsible for those that choose not to prepare for their lives?... we call her trash. then the next guy shows up takes care of her then leaves her after another baby.That's my fault too.... yay and the cycle continues. Welfare is being fueled by deadbeat dads. WE broke the system, WE abused it, And we let it become a corrupt government entity. We broke the system by not holding anyone accountable.

And umm let us not forget weed is a cheap and abundant medicine. Who says they are buying it, or any drug. Drugs and alcohol are social. People rarely do them alone. But I know you believe that if your poor and on welfare you should be clean church going, non-cussing god fearing people. And not normal everyday people that just happen to be in a rough time. And when you cant afford to drive your car then pay for a movie. or goto a bar. Because you don't have 50$ to blow in one night. But hey 50 will get you gas, cigarettes, a 12pak and maybe some wacky tobacky. thats entertainment that last a few days. BUT I'm guessing yall are so rich that you never had a family member get food stamps and you so pure that you would never do any tyle of drug except alcohol (ITS legal) well the majority of people arnt that lucky come off your pedestals before you fall and really hurt yourself. I, as a small business owner make less than most people on this forum. That is my choice, as I choose to make less, so my company can continue to operate. I do however, employ a total of 4 people...that is four people not on the system. What are you doing to keep people off of the system? If my business is failing, should tax payers give my company welfare too?

Its so easy not to see anything you dont want to see when you have money. Its so easy to sit online and hide your face and speak of things we know little about. And scream someone should do something when you dont care enough to get off our asses and take action yourself.

But sure let people die in the streets. Let all the poor die. How many people died in the US, from staring before welfare was in place? That would make you all patriots! Or would it make you no better than the people you despise? Class division? or destruction.... I hate the rich they are all corrupt. I'm proud to live in south port and to have nice things and be who I am. But I will never forget where I came from. I will never forget how lucky I am and how close I was to being swallowed by the system.

See above

 

[mikea46996]

Ok, ok, enough with the pissing contest. Allow me to clear something up for you kids... Unemployment is an INSURANCE. Yes, that's right, insurance. It is a benefit (albeit required) just like health insurance or a 401k. It is an insurance for those who lose their jobs by legitimate means to keep their heads above water until they find another job. Welfare is a GOVERNMENT PROGRAM (NOT insurance) funded by tax dollars. Welfare is to assist folks with crappy paying jobs, the disabled, single parents, and folks with similar "hard times" situations. There is a huge difference. With that said, all of you need to learn what you're talking about and stop acting like asshats.

Stop with the sob stories, I don't want to hear em. I have one of my own so yours really doesn't persuade me. If you're on welfare, you deserve to be drug tested. I have to be drug tested to get/keep my job, why shouldn't you be tested in order to receive the taxes I pay as a result of my job? It's simple common sense and there is no room for hypocracy.

As for people starving to death on the street because of drug testing? Give me a break. You really think starving will kill those people before the drugs will? They're selling their food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar and buying drugs with it. HELLO!!! I don't think they're too concerned with where their next meal is coming from. What pipe have you been smoking to come up with such a ridiculous argument?

If you can't/won't work and insist on living off of my tax dollars, don't for one second expect me to be ok with the idea of paying for your drugs too.

Now, with all that said, I personally think drug testing is an invasion of privacy. What I do outside of work, or in another country (Amsterdam for instance) is no one's business. The only exception would be those on the welfare system and anyone applying for citizenship.

THANK YOU!!!

 

[Rookie]

No way - that would be infringing on their "rights"

 

[ATF Consumer]

Ok, ok, enough with the pissing contest. Allow me to clear something up for you kids... Unemployment is an INSURANCE. Yes, that's right, insurance. It is a benefit (albeit required) just like health insurance or a 401k. It is an insurance for those who lose their jobs by legitimate means to keep their heads above water until they find another job. Welfare is a GOVERNMENT PROGRAM (NOT insurance) funded by tax dollars. Welfare is to assist folks with crappy paying jobs, the disabled, single parents, and folks with similar "hard times" situations. There is a huge difference. With that said, all of you need to learn what you're talking about and stop acting like asshats.

Sorry to differ, but I do...Unemployement (insurance) is a GOVERNMENT PROGRAM...they are who I am required to pay into.
If it was an insurance as you call it, then as a small business owner, would be an option rather than a requirement. So the real difference between welfare and unemployment (welfare) is tax payers pay welfare, while employers pay unemployment (welfare). Either way, the employee pays nothing into it, yet reaps the benefits of sitting on their lazy ass while I still pay into that system...yea, that's seems quite fair to me

 

[jennybird]

THANK YOU!!!

My pleasure.

Oh, and Scutter is right. A weening program would be excellent.

 

[mikea46996]

Oh crap we don't need two of these....

https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/politics_laws_and_2nd_amendment/28356-didja_see_this.html

 

[cox7215]

WOW, i agree who can we send an e mail to about this???

 

[cox7215]

i never seen it, so thanks for the post

 

[jennybird]

OH yes, please visit the other thread on this topic. It's become quite interesting.

 

[hoosiertriangle]

I'm gonna stay at a little higher level and attack welfare as a whole. The problem is about government control of the masses. If you have to rely on the government for your food, your transportation, your home, and your healthcare then they control you. When you no longer like what the government is doing they just pull back on one of the essentials to bring the people back into line.

Very soon we'll have about half the US paying no federal income tax. What better way to keep yourself in power than to give the poor all the essentials they need so they can't stand up to you. Its all about power and manipulation with respect to welfare in today's age. The only people who are starving and can't change their lot in life are children who's parents are crap. They're stuck until they either get out of the trap or are old enough to choose to stay in the trap.

[Disclaimer: what is below is only thinking out loud and for discussion. I know what is said is contradictory to some of my own core beliefs of freedom and liberty, but at some point I feel like I have to stop being taken advantage of. I'm still forming my full opinions on the subjects below.]

Drug testing for welfare should just be part of the process of getting temporary benefits. I'd go so far as to say if you're living off the government for more than a fixed period and you're partially able to work, I'd consider looking at removing your ability to vote yourself more benefits and your ability produce more children. Its time we stop letting people pass the blame without working at fixing the problems. The problem is NOT society, its personal responsibility.

 

[hookedonjeep]

I had to pass MULTIPLE drug tests in order to get my job.... urine, blood, and even hair; and I had no problem with it. I viewed it as a cost of employment (that, and I don't do any drugs). SO, if they want to give drug tests for welfare recipients, then by all means - and as far as getting the stuff out of your system in time for the urine tests..... just like at my job - it should be a random sort of affair; with a mobile testing lab that just shows up unannounced, and gives you about 3 hours to "produce" the sample - and non-production equals a refusal. Refuse, and you're FIRED! But, since the folks on welfare can't get fired - they should IMMEDIATELY suspend their benefits. Bottom line here folks is if you want to get help from the rest of us hard working citizens - don't break the laws because you are bored...... get a damned job and you won't be bored any more!

 

[Turtle]

why are guys named mike so hard headed? No one here is really right.... You seem way to hyped up. Just like the government we to have just learn that by nit-picking everything to death we miss the point. The point is all in all the betterment of mankind and survival. Why should children suffer for there parents wrongs? Arnt all people CREATED EQUAL? or just the rich and eduicated?....

IMO This is about the Idea that we have enough laws. With every new law we dig a bigger hole. We give the government another loop hole to circumnavigate the system , invade our lives and tell us what to do. RIGHT and WRONG no longer mean anything to our government. Its about controlling our lives to the point we are all slaves to the laws and rules that we thought would never hurt us.