DO STATES RIGHTS STILL EXIST

[cobber]

That question was pretty much resolved in 1865. The Federal government has been picking the bones of that carcass ever since.

Only because the States allowed it to happen...

 

[cobber]

I suppose we could invade Detroit?

Or Canada... teach those seal clubbers to support the Bazillion Moms for Gun Grabbing!

 

[johnny45]

Do State's rights still exist?

They absolutely do.

The States would do well to exercise and enforce them.

It's like this.... a gun ban does not eliminate your right documented in the Second Amendment. It does, however, supress that right. The right still exists, but it must be exercised to avoid or overcome the supression.

States rights are the same way.

The States must become adamant in limiting the federal government to those powers they delegated to the federal government and the federal government must be held to account when it voilates those limitations.

Perhaps abolishing the 17th Amendment would be a good place to start.

 

[2ndAmendmentdefender]

This war is not about slavery.
Robert E. Lee

I worked night and day for twelve years to prevent the war, but I could not. The North was mad and blind, would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came.
Jefferson Davis

Neither current events nor history show that the majority rule, or ever did rule.
Jefferson Davis

The voice of the people is the voice of humbug.
William Tecumseh Sherman

Here is just a little tidbit of possibly unknown history to the "Yankees" (just joking, I have lived in this great state since 1980) on this forum and could possibly be pertinent some day in the future.

It involves your right to bear arms, although this is a result of war, just imagine a federal consfiscation of the peoples firearms.

In 1862 after New Orleans fell to the north and the men were disarmed, Yankee general Benjamin Butler issued the General Order No. 28, known as The Woman Order. This order gave occupying Union troops the right to treat at their pleasure the ladies of the South as common whores.

So the raping of southern women began at the decree of the federal government. This is tyranny at it's worse.

This is not just the civil war it happens in every war or conflict. Bosnia is a perfect example of recent times.

It always baffles me that our women are at the forefront to disarm the men who are their protectors. The women will suffer the most when their men cannot protect them whether that is from gangs, criminals, mobs or even the federal government as happened in the Civil War, the women will pay the price.

Don't forget the sociopath General Tecumseh Sherman

 

[Wolfhound]

"All of us need to be reminded that the Federal government did not create the States, the States created the Federal Government." - Ronald Wilson Reagan, January 20, 1981

Dang I miss Reagan.

 

[cbseniour]

I could turn this argument right back around. You may recall the tariffs designed to benefit northern industries (which generally treated their employees worse that the South treated its slaves) at the expense of the agrarian south by reducing the buying power of the South's income by denying access to more economical goods generally from Britain. It is also significant to keep in mind that secession itself (and the economic implications) was the issue, not slavery, which, while stoking northern emotions, did not become an issue in the war until Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation (which strangely for a claim to the moral high ground did NOT free slaves in the slave states which remained with the union). The primary impact of this proclamation was to sway Britain to stop supporting the south. The leaders in Britain naturally favored the south as it was still an integral part of its economic system while the north was a competitor. Conversely, Jack on the street tended to be a strongly abolitionist fellow and was moti


vated to increase pressure to stop supporting the slave-keeping south.

In the end, we have the north subjugating the south, which in turn subjugated slaves. Plenty of wrong to go around here. Also interesting is that Virginia came close to abolishing slavery before the war but changed direction in response to the tariff issue and general northern vitriol.

didn'tthat war end some time back?

 

[cbseniour]

I suspect we're experiencing the inevitable result of the confluence of citizens becoming indifferent to politics, the loss of new frontiers to bleed off the disaffected, the tendency of democracies to vote themselves "bread and circuses" to the detriment of their society, the tendency of humans to build empires to further their own ambitions, and the coming-to-fruition of a long-term plan by the Communists to infiltrate us and destroy us from within. I consider it possible - but unlikely - that the current Second Amendment flap and the unfunded mandates associated with ObamaCare will push many state governments to push back against the overweening Feds.

iHope you are right

 

[IndyDave1776]

didn'tthat war end some time back?

Regardless of the specific time, it was the decisive turning point in states' rights, which had already been trampled to steal the product of the labor of some to give to others. Reminds me of another situation set in the present time.

 

[225646]

It will be interesting to see how the Senators from Indiana vote.
Do they accept a watered down version of some bill and claim victory because it could have been worse ???? Do they just say NO and support the 2 A ???

 

[2ndAmendmentdefender]

didn'tthat war end some time back?

The War against Tyranny never ends...... this war continues, only now the battle rages in the Hearts and Minds of We the People!

We will always required to confront the temerity of wanna be tyrants such as we have with our potus!

 

[johnny45]

It will be interesting to see how the Senators from Indiana vote.
Do they accept a watered down version of some bill and claim victory because it could have been worse ???? Do they just say NO and support the 2 A ???

Both will vote for an increase in control.

Care to wager?

 

[Liberty1911]

Only because the States allowed it to happen...

What were they supposed to do, take up arms against the Federal Government? Didn't work out so well the first time. 10A was resolved in 1865 in the Federal Government's favor by force of arms.