Democrats are afraid of violent backlash

[E5RANGER375]

“I know many Americans are angry over this health care bill, and that Washington Democrats just aren’t listening,” Boehner said. “But, as I’ve said, violence and threats are unacceptable. That’s not the American way. We need to take that anger and channel it into positive change. Call your congressman, go out and register people to vote, go volunteer on a political campaign, make your voice heard — but let's do it the right way."


OH YES IT IS!!! boy better re-read his American History books. The American people are fed up with the republicanTs just as much as the democraPs. they are all starting to fear the power and will of the people, and i feel its just going to intensify until they start doing THE PEOPLES BUSINESS in congress, instead of fattening their own wallets and those of their friends!!!!

 

[E5RANGER375]

As a cop, I can tell you that people who make threats, harass, and sound false alarms are justification for bringing back stockades and signs. Don't be that guy.

yeah, your realy the guy im gonna seek permission to protest the wrongs in society from!! sorry but whether you like it or not, you are part of the system and right now the complete system is the problem. the public dont judge you as an idividual. you might be the best guy in the world and follow every law, but you still will get lumped in with all the rest. you already have stockades, its called false imprissonment!

Im a patriot, i dont ask permission. I get my permission from being born free and the constitution

 

[Joe Williams]

I'm talking about crime, not legitimate protest. It's good to let your Congressman know that he won't get your vote. It's bad to call them and make death threats (stalking/harassment), throw bricks through windows (criminal mischief), or walk on their property and cut propane lines (criminal recklessness).

Protest to your heart's content, but law breaking is what the lefties do. I'm a righty because I'm better than that, and so are the people on this site.

Yeah. It's what the left has long done.

And they are winning. In fact, they've almost won. So... is better really relevant if you are a "better" slave?

Washington really needs to start listening. They really need to take a hard look at what's happening now. So far, it's only a very few extremists going over the line. But it'll spread the more the Dems try to "rule" us, to use their word.

 

[jeremy]

As a cop, I can tell you that people who make threats, harass, and sound false alarms are justification for bringing back stockades and signs. Don't be that guy.

I do not and have never made a threat towards anyone...

I'm talking about crime, not legitimate protest. It's good to let your Congressman know that he won't get your vote. It's bad to call them and make death threats (stalking/harassment), throw bricks through windows (criminal mischief), or walk on their property and cut propane lines (criminal recklessness).

Protest to your heart's content, but law breaking is what the lefties do. I'm a righty because I'm better than that, and so are the people on this site.

Crime, you want to talk about crime...
Let us talk about those sorry excuses for humanity that can not even keep an oath to their people... That is a crime so go preach to them.

I am neither a "lefty" or a "righty", I am that grey space between that they are scared to bejesus over...

 

[Perm]

Stalin and Hitler were Dems. Jesus and Kittens are Republicans.

 

[ghunter]

Easy guys- I'm talking about basic stuff here. Yes, the Bill Ayers's of the past did it and got away with it. If I did what he did, I wouldn't get a swank job at a college as my reward, I'd go to jail. Lefties who resort to violence don't get locked up- righties who resort to violence do. Is that the biggest, messed up double standard we have? Sure as hell is, but we need to work with what we have.

Now it's time for me to really earn the ass beating, so here goes. I've been thinking about how to stop the left, and they have the tools of the trade. We should emulate the community organizing template. Many faith based charities already do this, and are already manned by people of our world view. My family participates in a pro-life charity (no, I'm not recruiting, take it easy). We need to coalesce as the left has. The left set aside their differences and took over the country. We on the right tend to have fewer differences. We on the right are more ideologically consistent. Imagine a form of ACORN that doesn't bum public money, doesn't advocate child prostitution as a tax write-off, and helps people to help themselves, not produce more wards of the state.

Be gentle.

 

[Fletch]

Now it's time for me to really earn the ass beating, so here goes. I've been thinking about how to stop the left, and they have the tools of the trade. We should emulate the community organizing template. Many faith based charities already do this, and are already manned by people of our world view. My family participates in a pro-life charity (no, I'm not recruiting, take it easy). We need to coalesce as the left has. The left set aside their differences and took over the country. We on the right tend to have fewer differences. We on the right are more ideologically consistent. Imagine a form of ACORN that doesn't bum public money, doesn't advocate child prostitution as a tax write-off, and helps people to help themselves, not produce more wards of the state.

Right on. I'm not "on the right", but I support the idea of out-giving the government.

 

[dross]

I hate the way this is going to sound, but I think all is already lost.

From the Republican sellout of the late nineties, to the Bush administration moving the party to the left on domestic issues (No Child, Medicare Drug, etc...) which paved the way philosophically for the now almost forgotten "Stimulus Bill," until this total perversion of anything remaining of economic freedom hidden behind supposed healthcare reform, I don't see how we turn back.

Look at recent Supreme Court rulings. Look at what would have been current law of the land if just one vote had been different in several recent rulings. But for one vote, we would have likely had a ruling that set the precedent that there was no right for an individual to bear arms.

On this site we have third party advocates who dream big, but any reasonable look at the political landscape shows that all a right wing third party will accomplish is to move even faster towards socialism.

We're frogs being boiled, and while they couldn't take our guns now, give it ten to twenty years for us to move farther to the left. Look how far we've come in just a couple of years.

My only hope is to slow this down by trying to elect conservative Republicans. My modest goal is to slow it down to the point where my three year old daughter lives at least some of her life in freedom.

If I were in my twenties, I would seriously consider moving to another country. I don't know where right off, but I'd prefer a lawless place where one's life was in danger to a place where the government is relentlessly becoming the biggest criminal in the land.

By the time violence is a reasonable solution, the will, desire, and ability to wage it will be bred, re-educated, and crushed out of us.

My heart is sick when I think how different a country my daughter will grow up in.

On the other hand, it's a nice day here, and I've got a full bottle of whiskey in my cabinet.

 

[Joe Williams]

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If I were in my twenties, I would seriously consider moving to another country. I don't know where right off, but I'd prefer a lawless place where one's life was in danger to a place where the government is relentlessly becoming the biggest criminal in the land.

snip.

That's the problem. There IS no where else to go. America was the last bastion of freedom. We have nowhere to go to reestablish that principal. We have no choice but to make our stand here.

 

[Perm]

Yeah. It's what the left has long done.

And they are winning.

"THEY ARE WINNING!" /cue ominous music.

I fail to understand what your complaint is. I see it oft-repeated in this (and other) threads that (paraphrased) we're just one step away from doom, and all we need to do is elect more conservative Repubs and we can turn this thing around!

I've heard of short memory spans, but this is ridiculous. In the last 30 years:

Republican President: 20 years
Democratic President: 10 years

Republican Senate Majority: 16 years
Democratic Senate Majority: 12 years

Republican House Majority: 12
Democratic House Majority: 18

Number of current Supreme Court Justices appointed by Republican presidents: 6
Number of current Supreme Court Justices appointed by Democratic presidents: 3

By nearly any measure, the "Right Wing" has had total and complete control of the political process in recent history, including recent history where the GOP had control of every legislative branch in America. How did that turn out for everyone? I'd ask you to read "Lehman Brothers: 'A Colossal Failure'" if I thought you could comprehend just how entrenched the government was in complying with (mostly by ignoring) the highly unethical and usually illegal security swaps that were going on. Do you even know what a securities swap is?

The hand you hold is the hand that is holding you down. Are Dems the answer? Probably not. Major internal reform needs to occur... electing more "conservative" Republicans is only an answer to a really bad question.

Ignorance breeds monsters to fill up the vacancies of the soul that are unoccupied by the verities of knowledge. - Horace Mann

 

[stmoore]

Silly Perm, we don't have time for facts - just teabags.

 

[jeremy]

Republican President: 20 years
Democratic President: 10 years

Republican Senate Majority: 16 years
Democratic Senate Majority: 12 years

Republican House Majority: 12
Democratic House Majority: 18

Number of current Supreme Court Justices appointed by Republican presidents: 6
Number of current Supreme Court Justices appointed by Democratic presidents: 3

And there lies the problem with are system...

What and how much of a difference between the 2 is there really?!

From what I see in history mainly just their names...

 

[Perm]

And there lies the problem with are system...

What and how much of a difference between the 2 is there really?!

From what I see in history mainly just their names...

Then doesn't that beg the question of why the vast majority of people on this forum are proud to be labeled right-wing extremists?

What % of people on this very thread voted for Dubya.. not once, but twice... and are *still* proud of it and believe he was leading us in a new/good/better direction?

 

[BloodEclipse]

Then doesn't that beg the question of why the vast majority of people on this forum are proud to be labeled right-wing extremists?

Silly perm you are confusing "Conservatives" with the POS members of Congress who have been anything but. Liberal lite is not CONSERVATIVE. Republican does not make one a Conservative.

 

[Fletch]

I fail to understand what your complaint is. I see it oft-repeated in this (and other) threads that (paraphrased) we're just one step away from doom, and all we need to do is elect more conservative Repubs and we can turn this thing around!

I've heard of short memory spans, but this is ridiculous. In the last 30 years:

Republican President: 20 years
Democratic President: 10 years

Republican Senate Majority: 16 years
Democratic Senate Majority: 12 years

Republican House Majority: 12
Democratic House Majority: 18

Number of current Supreme Court Justices appointed by Republican presidents: 6
Number of current Supreme Court Justices appointed by Democratic presidents: 3

Awesome post. I'd rep you if I could.

 

[Perm]

Silly perm you are confusing "Conservatives" with the POS members of Congress who have been anything but. Liberal lite is not CONSERVATIVE. Republican does not make one a Conservative.

Ah yes, the No True Scotsman logical fallacy. Figured that was coming along at some point... didn't think it would be the first response, but I guess today is my lucky day.

No true Scotsman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[BloodEclipse]

Guess what? I'm Scottish as well.

Nice try though. Conservatives act accordingly. When those of a party called Republicans, who think they need to be moderate, try to appease the masses and to work with the democraps, they are not conservative.
Being conservative is an act not a label or a Party. Dismiss it as you will but your statement does not make Republicans conservatives.
John McCain is once again pretending to be a Conservative, I don't think anyone is buying it.

 

[dross]

Ah yes, the No True Scotsman logical fallacy. Figured that was coming along at some point... didn't think it would be the first response, but I guess today is my lucky day.

No true Scotsman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's not a fallacy at all. Republican and conservative are not synonomous. You can be conservative on social issues and socialist on fiscal issues.

I can think of NO fiscally conservative Democrats. There are a few fiscally conservative Republicans, but they rarely get elected. Bush never ran as a fiscally conservative Republican, in fact, he ran as the opposite, a "compassionate conservative," which I always found to be BS.

That said, while Bush was way more socialist in his domestic spending than I liked, he's light years to the right of Obama. To say that Republicans have aided our slide to socialism is true. But then to go on and say the two parties have no real differences is in itself a fallacy. At least on the Republican boat to socialism, we'll get there slower. At this point, that seems like a victory to me.

 

[Perm]

Guess what? I'm Scottish as well.

Nice try though. Conservatives act accordingly. When those of a party called Republicans, who think they need to be moderate, try to appease the masses and to work with the democraps, they are not conservative.
Being conservative is an act not a label or a Party. Dismiss it as you will but your statement does not make Republicans conservatives.
John McCain is once again pretending to be a Conservative, I don't think anyone is buying it.

What you just did was repeat the NTS fallacy. I know this will be difficult for you to comprehend... but that is what you just did.

It's not a fallacy at all. Republican and conservative are not synonomous. You can be conservative on social issues and socialist on fiscal issues.

The disconnect you're experiencing is in what you say and what you do are two different things. By "you" I don't necessarily mean YOU (dross), I mean the symbolic "you" that got the "compassionate conservative" elected in the first place.

You wax poetic about the vast difference between Republican and Conservative, yet every gun show I attend... they are one and the same. Shirts that glorify Bush and the "conservative Repub" agenda. Bumper stickers that demonize "liberal Dems."

No need to point out the technical difference in the definitions of the words from dictionary.google.com to me, believe me... I get it. However, you can't say one thing and then *do* something completely different. Your actions lead me to believe that my claims of a logical fallacy are watertight. You *say* you want something (who knows what that is) and yet your vote and political groups demonstrate something else.

I can think of NO fiscally conservative Democrats.

I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I think Bill Clinton proposed the first balanced budget in nearly 50 years. How do those fit into your categories?

There are a few fiscally conservative Republicans, but they rarely get elected. Bush never ran as a fiscally conservative Republican, in fact, he ran as the opposite, a "compassionate conservative," which I always found to be BS.

You directly state that "compassionate" is the opposite of "fiscally conservative." That makes absolutely no sense.

That said, while Bush was way more socialist in his domestic spending than I liked, he's light years to the right of Obama. To say that Republicans have aided our slide to socialism is true. But then to go on and say the two parties have no real differences is in itself a fallacy. At least on the Republican boat to socialism, we'll get there slower. At this point, that seems like a victory to me.

I have no real opinion about your pontifications on what socialism is. I'm sure you think you know what you're talking about.

 

[MilitaryArms]

I wonder if it ever crossed their minds, that it might be pissed off Democrats who are making the threats?

Could be...