Democrat fight for gun rights!

[Bill of Rights]

Voting for libertines is the same as voting democrap.

Just a note:

libertine
noun
1. a person who is morally or sexually unrestrained, especially a dissolute man; a profligate; rake.
2. a freethinker in religious matters.
3. a person freed from slavery in ancient Rome.

libertarian
noun
1. a person who advocates liberty, especially with regard to thought or conduct.
2. a person who maintains the doctrine of free will (distinguished from necessitarian).

The two words defined above are far from being synonyms. Libertine (def 2) is possibly applicable, but hardly universally so.

On our state level, given the possibility of doing so, I would happily vote for Sen. Lindel Hume (D) on gun rights but there is no amount of money that would gain my vote for Sen. Tom Wyss (R). Admittedly, the exceptions prove the rule, but don't let that D or R be your sole defining factor. When you go to the polls.... THINK! Do your research and know your candidates.

That is all.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[2A_Tom]

The Buckley rule.
18 April 1967, Miami (FL) News, “A Trip Into Idea Land With Bill Buckley” by Bill Barry, pg. 6A, col. 5:
He (William F. Buckley, Jr.—ed.) was asked who would be the wisest Republican choice.

He said: “The wisest choice would be the one who would win. No sense running Mona Lisa in a beauty contest. I’d be for the most right, viable candidate who could win. If you could convince me that Barry Goldwater could win, I’d vote for him.”

Richard Nixon, he said, would be the strongest GOP candidate.

Yes I do. I live in NWI and have never found a Democrat I could vote for.

On another note, I apologize for the thread jack. I originally started this thread to discuss the in my opinion libertine attitude that anyone can do anything that doesn't hurt another.
Smoking dope
Child porn
Port
Incest
Teacher student relationships
Beastiality
Prostitution

Each one is a "vvictimless crime" to someone to others abhorrent.

 

[jbombelli]

On some other forum a bunch of leftists are saying a vote for a libertarian is a vote for a Republicant.

 

[Redhorse]

The Buckley rule.
18 April 1967, Miami (FL) News, “A Trip Into Idea Land With Bill Buckley” by Bill Barry, pg. 6A, col. 5:
He (William F. Buckley, Jr.—ed.) was asked who would be the wisest Republican choice.

He said: “The wisest choice would be the one who would win. No sense running Mona Lisa in a beauty contest. I’d be for the most right, viable candidate who could win. If you could convince me that Barry Goldwater could win, I’d vote for him.”

Richard Nixon, he said, would be the strongest GOP candidate.

Yes I do. I live in NWI and have never found a Democrat I could vote for.

On another note, I apologize for the thread jack. I originally started this thread to discuss the in my opinion libertine attitude that anyone can do anything that doesn't hurt another.
Smoking dope
Child porn
Port
Incest
Teacher student relationships
Beastiality
Prostitution

Each one is a "vvictimless crime" to someone to others abhorrent.

Ok, I'm sorry but I can't follow any of this considering legalizing marijuna is the only thing out of all the points you said that Libertarians support. You're off on what they stand for.

 

[Bill of Rights]

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On another note, I apologize for the thread jack. I originally started this thread to discuss the in my opinion libertine attitude that anyone can do anything that doesn't hurt another.
Smoking dope

In and of itself, who does this hurt? Why shouldn't this be identical to smoking another weed (tobacco) ?

Child porn

Hold on. That does hurt someone... the child involved, who cannot make an informed, responsible decision due to his/her age.

Port

Presuming you meant "porn". Why should a responsible adult not be able to make a decision to pose for whatever pictures s/he wishes to, especially if s/he is being paid an acceptable (to him/her) wage to do so?

Incest

If the parties to the act are going to participate, there is a concomitant responsibility, as with any procreative sex act, to care for any child of such union. The rest of society does not share that responsibility.

Teacher student relationships

Other than the abuse of power of teacher over student, and presuming both are of at least the age of consent, why is this different from any other relationship? That is, if I'm in school and an adult student, and my (female) professor and I choose to do something, why is this anyone's concern but mine and hers, and any spouses involved? (Of note: I am happily married and choose to stay that way. This example is solely illustrative.)

Beastiality

Can the animal give consent? No. (and it's spelled "Bestiality")

Prostitution

Again, in and of itself, this is simply a business arrangement. She has something he wants, he has something she wants, they agree to allow one of them to pay to rent the use of what the other has. It's kinda like renting a motorcycle when you're on vacation: You aren't going to take it home, but it's fun to ride while you're away.

Each one is a "vvictimless crime" to someone to others abhorrent.

Correct... But the fact that something is abhorrent to one person does not give them license to disallow it for everyone else in a free society. If someone is truly victimized, that's another matter entirely, but when free people associate freely with each other, that's not an entre' for government. Your use of the term libertine in the above context tells me that you find all of the behaviors you list abhorrent and immoral. That's your choice.
I've read porn mags. Hell, when I was younger, I had a collection of ten years worth of Penthouse magazine, long since gone now. I don't have any problem with someone who enjoys that. I'm quite familiar with what those portions of the anatomy look like and no longer need printed reminders.
Never used drugs illicitly, never been interested in kiddy porn, incest, bestiality, or prostitution. I did have a teacher once when I was in middle school that I'd have jumped in a hot second, given the chance. WAY outta my league back then.

I am a libertarian. I am not a libertine. Apologies to all for continuing the threadjack.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Bill of Rights]

Ok, I'm sorry but I can't follow any of this considering legalizing marijuna is the only thing out of all the points you said that Libertarians support. You're off on what they stand for.

Slightly disagree. As I understand it, libertarians support not the legalization of marijuana but the decriminalization of it... that is, the removal of government from what I've seen called the "war on (some) drugs". I should be able to go to Walgreens and buy a bottle of aspirin, a bag (or pack) of weed, a bottle of booze, whatever, without paying exorbitant taxes on any of it. Will I? No. (maybe the aspirin) If I abuse any of those, I'm just as dead.

As to the rest, the purpose of government is to protect the rights of the people, not to limit them. Government needs to be small and as inefficient as possible. It is my understanding that THAT is what libertarians as a group want. It's not about the drugs or the sex or the guns or the whatever... it's about getting the majority of the overreach of government out of our lives. (child porn and the other situations with actual victims being the exceptions)

Blessings,
Bill

 

[indiucky]

The parties do not want to be associated with tea party right wing extremist

Do not believe what the mainstream media says regarding the Tea party being "right wing extremist"...I can only speak from our local level but the Libertarians/Republicans make up about 50% of our local Tea Party while the other half are former "Blue Dog" Democrats...Contrary to what your professor (or some pop star)may have told you smaller Government, lower taxes, not killing babies before they have a chance to shine, and acknowledging that marriage is a peace treaty between a man and a woman are NOT extremist positions...Just logical ones.....

I keep hearing from the sheeple's handler's that we are "on the wrong side of history". I guess that is true if one's history text only goes back to Roe V Wade or Lady Ga Ga harping on about gay marriage....

I hope one day the Libertarian Party opens up their door to Religious folks and Darwin Evolutionists on the Gay Marriage thing and MAYBE, just maybe, acknowledge that taking a human life, while it's still in the womb, ("Safe as in the Mother's womb" used to be an actual saying 30 years or so ago...How quaint!) isn't really very "Libertarian" of them. Maybe on that day the party may go beyond the 2% of the electorate they currently have....They just seem to alienate people that agree wth them on so many issues. They trash the Republican candidate while praising someone like Gary Johnson who actually "crowd surfed" to show everyone how hip and cool he was??? I try my best to take the Libertarian Party seriously but I (sadly) think they will continue to be a marginal, hip, way of saying "I like guns...and check out my candidate...He crowd surfs just like Lady Ga Ga..."

IMHO ofcourse...

I want to see 51% of the Population vote Libertarian but until they (The Libertarian Party) get on the right side of history and utilize a little common sense they are never going to amount to much.....Standing on a soap box and doing the equivalant of Eric Cartman saying , "Whatever, I do what I want..." is not doing much to help the cause of freedom...They are just yyyyyy too closed minded on the subject of gay marriage and abortion and by doing so alienate a large swath of the voting public who isn't as hip as they (Libertarians) seem to think they are......


IMHO ofcourse
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[cop car]

yeah.. I don't know how I feel about people who are frequently/permanently in an altered state of mind being able to keep and carry firearms.... whether that is alcohol, thc, acid, coke etc..... and the biggest kick in the pants is that someone who is a non violent felon, who never touches anything and has straightened up cant keep firearms.. this double standard crap needs to go away. I hope the NRA paints this is as democrats pushing for relaxation of gun control lol. since they seem to be all about more control in every other aspect

all drugs are taxed and everyone can have them (preferred), or no drugs are legal, and you get harshly punished across the board for having, taking and selling them. that's my position

 

[indiucky]

Why should a responsible adult not be able to make a decision to pose for whatever pictures s/he wishes to, especially if s/he is being paid an acceptable (to him/her) wage to do so?

Glad to see someone going to bat for printcraft and churchmouse...Them boys got just as much a right to make a living as anyone else.....

Churchmouse always talks about the work he has done on Phillipine 1911's to get them up and running but he NEVER talks about the films he did back in the day in the Phillipines does he??? "Churchmouse vs. Teatmice" was one of my favorites... It's about a rural Hoosier who signed up to do missionary work at an all girls college in the Phillipines and well...Let's just say he got distracted by a bevy of beauties and oh my...Look at the time.....Oh well.....Gotta go...I am sure he has still got a copy somewhere...On VHS no less....The soundtrack was great and pure 70's.....Oh goodness...Someone has the soundtrack on youtube...Here you go churchmouse...

[video=youtube;atVNDwWtcjY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atVNDwWtcjY[/video]

 

[2A_Tom]

All I can say is I answer to a higher Authority than the government.

Absent that Authority, anything goes.

Is that the swish if the ban hammer?

 

[jbombelli]

All I can say is I answer to a higher Authority than the government.

Absent that Authority, anything goes.

Is that the swish if the ban hammer?

Why do you want so badly to force everyone else to follow your belief system? That's what it ultimately comes down to. You're trying to force your morality and beliefs on everyone else.

I find that both abhorrent and repugnant.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

Libertarians vote democrat? Where do you pull this crap from? Most of the time libertarians vote for libertarians or no-one at all. A few vote republican and a very few vote for democrats. Most of the time they vote for libertarian candidates.

Change the term "vote" to "complain about".... and look at your history here on INGO, MrJ...

I think it would be fair to say that you have done A LOT more griping about Republicans than Democrats.... if that was what folks were reading, one would indeed be forced to conclude that you hated Repuiblicans a lot more than Democrats...


I have no doubt that you vote for L's . That said, if the complaining factor was taken into account, one could easily presume that you were a Democrat , given the evidence.

 

[2A_Tom]

When you meet Him tell Him I don't make the rules. I don't even obey them all of the time.

I am although pretty well self regulating.

 

[longbarrel]

I should be able to go to Walgreens and buy a bottle of aspirin, a bag (or pack) of weed, a bottle of booze, If I abuse any of those, I'm just as dead.

just so you are aware, there has never been a confirmed death from the use of marijuana. It is virtually impossible to overdose on it. (No reported cases, ever) Aspirin and/or booze? No doubt. That being said, there has never been a case of cancer tied to marijuana use. So, your above statement might not be factually correct.

 

[Bill of Rights]

just so you are aware, there has never been a confirmed death from the use of marijuana. It is virtually impossible to overdose on it. (No reported cases, ever) Aspirin and/or booze? No doubt. That being said, there has never been a case of cancer tied to marijuana use. So, your above statement might not be factually correct.

I'm aware, and I agree. If the only factor is the pot itself, you're correct.

 

[Expat]

Marijuana use and risk of lung cancer:... [Cancer Causes Control. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI
Study Links Marijuana Use to Testicular Cancer

 

[Redhorse]

just so you are aware, there has never been a confirmed death from the use of marijuana. It is virtually impossible to overdose on it. (No reported cases, ever) Aspirin and/or booze? No doubt. That being said, there has never been a case of cancer tied to marijuana use. So, your above statement might not be factually correct.

Smoking anything causes damage to the lungs which enhances the chances for lung cancer. Also, smoking it and driving probably isn't too safe either and could result in death. Don't get me wrong, I'm for the legalization of it, but it does pose health risks.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Smoking anything causes damage to the lungs which enhances the chances for lung cancer. Also, smoking it and driving probably isn't too safe either and could result in death. Don't get me wrong, I'm for the legalization of it, but it does pose health risks.

True. And OWI/DUI/whatever is still a criminal act because it actively puts others at risk. Point that longbarrel was making that makes yours a non-sequitur, however, is that someone can eat pot brownies and avoid the "smoking" argument altogether. Pardon the pun, but "food for thought".

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Redhorse]

True. And OWI/DUI/whatever is still a criminal act because it actively puts others at risk. Point that longbarrel was making that makes yours a non-sequitur, however, is that someone can eat pot brownies and avoid the "smoking" argument altogether. Pardon the pun, but "food for thought".

Blessings,
Bill

Point taken I never thought of that. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the legalization of it (and deregulation of tobacco for that manner) but wanted to point out possible side effects from a scientific point of view.