I understand the frustration and educating the deer in the early season as well. I have seen and got the big bucks starting from oct 23rd to November 10. This time frame and a cold front you just never know what will come by. I only have a 10acre woods to hunt and all the fields are picked. This year I planted the logging trails with turnips and radishes and they have grown tall, size of baseballs. Did this to see if they would hang around longer in the small woods longer.