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I would say that she's much more right than you. The overwhelming majority are disaffected radical chic socialists who think Obama isn't pushing the socialist agenda fast enough. Everyone of them, no, not likely, but almost all. This pretense that any but a handful are concerned about saving the Republic or somesuch is wearing thin, most would be perfectly willing to see the Republic and this nation swept aside as long as they got their college loans forgiven and free I-phones, cars and houses handed to them. If you believe otherwise, you're as big a fool as they are.
Maybe that's true. Ann won't be the one to convince me though. She's on record saying the Patriot Act is "terrific" and enthusiastically endorsed gun-grabbing Chris Christie for president. I can't trust her. She's got an agenda and it is not liberty.
I really think she was moved by Christie for his fiscal policies, which, if we don't get our fiscal house in order makes nearly everything else moot.
Any President's real power comes from his political popularity. The President only has so much power because Congress can refuse to pass or fund his agenda. The reason they often go along is because to be President, you have demonstrated that a majority of the country buys into your vision.
This is how Reagan was able to cut tax rates so severely with a Democrat Congress.
If Ron Paul were to get elected and then do some of the things he says he'll do, he will most likely become quickly unpopular. As soon as he's unpopular, he has no power in Congress, and they can pass bills without his signature.
Even Ron Paul would be forced to compromise his principles if he were to be effective.
The political system isn't an absolutist game, it's a game of compromise. It doesn't matter how right you are, if a majority of people are wrong, wrong will win the day.
I have spent years trying to convince people around me that freedom is a better choice than false security. I can't even convince people who generally believe that to go as far as Ron Paul (or I) would like.
The 8000 pound gorilla in the room is this: MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANT THAT MUCH FREEDOM. Or at least they don't want their neighbors to have it and they don't want it if it means giving up some of the great things they get by not having it.
Read history. Not just the broad strokes, but the everyday discussions that were happening in the context of the times. During WWII, there were people talking about all the illegal and screwed up stuff we were doing, and how we should have never been in the war, and how we got attacked because of our own behavior. Also about how we were conducting the war wrong and immorally.
Also, there have always been people predicting our imminent collapse because of the direction we were heading. It's always right around the corner.
Things have been going to hell in a handbasket since history started being recorded.
Here's the other thing - most of us are too busy putting shelter over our family's heads and food in their mouths to make much of a difference. Here's another thing - even if we devoted our lives to stemming the tide, it's likely to make little difference. Why? For the same reason that Ron Paul won't get elected and won't change the world if he does - because we don't get to decide. We're just a small portion of the ant colony, and most of the other ants can't even follow this discussion, and if they could, they'd have us thrown out of the anthill.
Call me cynical if you want. I probably won't hear you, I'll be playing Barbies with my daughter. (Which BTW, I would have never given her if she hadn't asked for them. Hell, I can't even fully control what my five-year old does, much less all the people who want to vote themselves my money.)
This is how Reagan was able to cut tax rates so severely with a Democrat Congress.
If Ron Paul were to get elected and then do some of the things he says he'll do, he will most likely become quickly unpopular. As soon as he's unpopular, he has no power in Congress, and they can pass bills without his signature.
Even Ron Paul would be forced to compromise his principles if he were to be effective.
The political system isn't an absolutist game, it's a game of compromise. It doesn't matter how right you are, if a majority of people are wrong, wrong will win the day.
I have spent years trying to convince people around me that freedom is a better choice than false security. I can't even convince people who generally believe that to go as far as Ron Paul (or I) would like.
The 8000 pound gorilla in the room is this: MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANT THAT MUCH FREEDOM. Or at least they don't want their neighbors to have it and they don't want it if it means giving up some of the great things they get by not having it.
Read history. Not just the broad strokes, but the everyday discussions that were happening in the context of the times. During WWII, there were people talking about all the illegal and screwed up stuff we were doing, and how we should have never been in the war, and how we got attacked because of our own behavior. Also about how we were conducting the war wrong and immorally.
Also, there have always been people predicting our imminent collapse because of the direction we were heading. It's always right around the corner.
Things have been going to hell in a handbasket since history started being recorded.
Here's the other thing - most of us are too busy putting shelter over our family's heads and food in their mouths to make much of a difference. Here's another thing - even if we devoted our lives to stemming the tide, it's likely to make little difference. Why? For the same reason that Ron Paul won't get elected and won't change the world if he does - because we don't get to decide. We're just a small portion of the ant colony, and most of the other ants can't even follow this discussion, and if they could, they'd have us thrown out of the anthill.
Call me cynical if you want. I probably won't hear you, I'll be playing Barbies with my daughter. (Which BTW, I would have never given her if she hadn't asked for them. Hell, I can't even fully control what my five-year old does, much less all the people who want to vote themselves my money.)
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“The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who haven't got it.” - George Bernard Shaw
“No matter how cynical I get I just can’t keep up.” - Nora Ephron
“No matter how cynical I get I just can’t keep up.” - Nora Ephron
I personally know more than 2 of them that are out protesting the right things. They wear deodorant and they are not democrats. The stereotype too broad to be valid. But your mind is already made up. Its has now become a partisan issue. The end.
So, while the vast majority of them are radical chic protestors demanding socialist solutions, they're above any condemnation, while anyone else who is not Ron Paul or who deviates ever so slightly from your preferred dogma is an enemy of the people? How can we ever divine the rarified standards of Rambone?
Condemn the socialist individuals for their individual beliefs, and not the collective for something Ann Coulter wrote. That's all I'm saying. If you think what you are reading is "fair and balanced" then don't let anyone else convince you otherwise.
I had a specific gripe about Ann Coulter. I said her agenda is something other than liberty. Maybe it is safety, since she thinks we need to have the feds snooping on us without warrants. Maybe it is pure hatred of muslims. Maybe it is money and ratings. Whatever it is, its not liberty. I stand by what I said.
Care to defend the "terrific" Patriot Act, and vindicate Ms. Coulter? I can't believe she's still cheerleading the Patriot Act after 10 years of misuse and constitutional scrutiny. I guess since the dreaded liberals criticized it, she needs to stand for it.
What does the ad hominem toward Coulter have to do with the content? Nothing, right? Forget Ann Coulter, what's your smokescreen got to do with what she said? Again, we get evasion from Rambone. My question to you is why do the great, grand majority of useful idiot socialists in OWS get a free pass and passionate defense from Rambone when no one merits else such slavering deference? The useful idiots are enabling what you pretend to oppose.
