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Chicago emergency travel order.https://abc7chicago.com/health/chic...WCJaiGwQZL_7bqDA4u_dx-9BH_PuNfXPEelmLcTSwLdsc
Because some people (reasonably) view mask-wearing mandates to be more about government control/social engineering of behavior than about public health.
For me, it is because there is (that I have been able to find yet, anyway) simply no scientific data that support the assertion that healthy/non-symptomatic people wearing masks has any impact whatsoever on the spread of coronavirus, and I inherently oppose the constraint/compulsion of otherwise lawful behaviors of free people based on nothing more than the offended feelings of the irrationally fearful.
So If it's only to protect others and one knows they don't have the Rona they shouldn't need to wear a mask right?
I guess... then I also see people likening it to tyranny, or (hopefully joking) Stars of David. Certainly there are more reasonable ways to see it.
I was perfectly fine with encouraging masks. Leave it up to the people to decide. Yes, I do have a problem when mandates come about.
Chicago emergency travel order.https://abc7chicago.com/health/chic...WCJaiGwQZL_7bqDA4u_dx-9BH_PuNfXPEelmLcTSwLdsc
The term "masks" is thrown around pretty loosely and includes a whole spectrum of facial coverings from those homemade cloth things to military gas masks. Some masks are indeed designed to protect the wearer from inhaling a whole variety of compositions and sizes of particulate matter. Technically these are respirators but are frequently called masks by most normal people. However I repeatedly see this ignored in here. The masks designed to protect the wearer are not useless to both the surrounding population and the wearer.
I only have three masks but they are all designed to protect the wearer. One is a Sperian P1130 which is a P100 mask and has an exhaust valve so probably protects the wearer more than the surrounding population.
And it only makes sense that when we are dealing with airborne particles that any kind of filter is going to do "some" filtering and provide "some" protection greater than zero.
Crappy health care? Try again...
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...-clot-rate-after-hip-or-knee-replacement-2015
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pu...20/jan/us-health-care-global-perspective-2019
I also would suggest that you look up the number of yearly deaths in the United States caused by medical error and lack of access before you go thumping your chest on how brilliant our healthcare system is in this country. Additionally, I bet no one in (insert other developed nation here) avoids calling an ambulance because they've been stung by a $2500 bill in the mail before. You know what I've seen in person? People who avoid going to the doctor because it's too expensive. How many people end up dying because of THAT?
The term "masks" is thrown around pretty loosely and includes a whole spectrum of facial coverings from those homemade cloth things to military gas masks. Some masks are indeed designed to protect the wearer from inhaling a whole variety of compositions and sizes of particulate matter. Technically these are respirators but are frequently called masks by most normal people. However I repeatedly see this ignored in here. The masks designed to protect the wearer are not useless to both the surrounding population and the wearer.
I only have three masks but they are all designed to protect the wearer. One is a Sperian P1130 which is a P100 mask and has an exhaust valve so probably protects the wearer more than the surrounding population.
And it only makes sense that when we are dealing with airborne particles that any kind of filter is going to do "some" filtering and provide "some" protection greater than zero.
I guess... then I also see people likening it to tyranny, or (hopefully joking) Stars of David. Certainly there are more reasonable ways to see it.
I was perfectly fine with encouraging masks. Leave it up to the people to decide. Yes, I do have a problem when mandates come about.
Yes, this is the primary difference. As far as I'm concerned, it's no different from calling an AR15 an assault rifle - and used for a similarly deceptive purpose.
Masks and respirators are not the same thing. Masks do not provide the filtration protection of respirators; it is why respirators have to be fitted properly, and fit-tested, in order to be effective. Any break in the edge seal massively reduces the filtration efficiency of the respirator.
Further, and of primary importance for this discussion: public policy is not being based on respirators. (I will grant that the two are intentionally conflated in the social-engineering graphics that get passed around, showing the alleged efficacy of wearing "masks", but that use contamination reduction percentages based on respirator usage. But I am unaware of any public policy that has required the usage of respirators in response to coronavirus.)
"Wear a mask" means just that: wear a mask, not a respirator.
Fractious people all right. Some don’t want to be told what to do. Some want to be told what to do. And some want to tell people what to do. I’m kinda thinking the latter two are in cahoots.Because we are a fractious people who have never liked being told what to do
Well today was different
Went to the Meijer on Southport - I spotted maybe one person, not including myself, not wearing a mask. It's like **** changed overnight and everyone got their marching orders.
I see 514 new cases and 19 deaths.. That's over the entire state. Heck the Flu kills that many in a week.
I see 514 new cases and 19 deaths.. That's over the entire state. Heck the Flu kills that many in a week.