CIVIL RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION: General Religious Discussion...

[ArcadiaGP]

Do they still do the pledge of allegiance in schools?

 

[churchmouse]

Do they still do the pledge of allegiance in schools?

Nope. Not at the 2 the terrorists attend anyway.

 

[T.Lex]

Nope. Not at the 2 the terrorists attend anyway.

Oy vey - if someone wasn't aware of your casual vernacular, that would read VERY differently than how you mean it.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Interesting. I graduated high school in 2005, and I think it was still going on then

 

[foszoe]

That's six years worth of eye witness testimony right there!

Interesting. I graduated high school in 2005, and I think it was still going on then

 

[rvb]

Do they still do the pledge of allegiance in schools?

my kids' public elementary still does the pledge.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

The Court Case That Could Finally Take Down Antiquated Anti-Catholic Laws

 

[Dead Duck]

The Court Case That Could Finally Take Down Antiquated Anti-Catholic Laws

But I'm not Catholic so why do I care?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Joe Rogan had Bari Weiss on

Touched on a bunch of subjects, but a lot of talk about anti-Semitism in America.

Might be one of his most disliked videos. Lot of anti-Semites in the comments.

Lot of anti-Semites on the internet these days, for that matter.

She gets a bit too comfortable and into some really hard-left stuff in the latter half.

[video=youtube_share;nL-YwrjKqZU]https://youtu.be/nL-YwrjKqZU[/video]

 

[JettaKnight]

Might be one of his most disliked videos. Lot of anti-Semites in the comments.

The "no youtube comments" plugin for Firefox helps.

90% of the comments are toxic, or gatekeeping if you're playing a music video.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

The New Orleans Saints are going to court to keep secret hundreds of emails that allegedly show team executives doing public relations damage control for the area's Roman Catholic archdiocese amid its sexual abuse crisis

 

[ArcadiaGP]

If you can’t go to confession, take your sorrow directly to God, pope says


Catholics:

"Alright then."

 

[ChristianPatriot]

If you can’t go to confession, take your sorrow directly to God, pope says


Catholics:

"Alright then."

About 2,000 years late on that one Francis

 

[Knight Rider]

I’m struggling with this and would like input from folks with maybe a stronger faith and orthodoxy than I have.
https://vimeo.com/403074420

 

[Cameramonkey]

I’m struggling with this and would like input from folks with maybe a stronger faith and orthodoxy than I have.
https://vimeo.com/403074420

How so? Ethical issues? (Should we take taxpayer money?) Accounting/practical (how do I calculate )?

 

[JettaKnight]

I’m struggling with this and would like input from folks with maybe a stronger faith and orthodoxy than I have.

Are you asking if it's Biblically wise to apply and take money?


Really, that horse has left the barn - churches in America are organizations with paid staff. Right, wrong, or indifferent we've become pseudo-businesses, so you might as well take advantage of the perquisites that come with that.

If you're asking if this is a backdoor for the Feds to control what's coming from the pulpit - nope. There's way too much going on right now for that to be a consideration on either end. Won't happen.



But, what I've heard in our office, the paperwork is a b****. We're fully operation now (most staff working from home), but we can certainly use the money, especially if the construction industry slumps.

 

[Knight Rider]

How so? Ethical issues? (Should we take taxpayer money?) Accounting/practical (how do I calculate )?

Churches are comprised of independent groups of people who share specific beliefs and who are taught to care for one another and for others. It is the principal responsibility of these congregations to support the functions and the missions associated with their belief system. Budgets are generally established based upon the sacred commitments and contributions of congregation members. These personal pledges are the foundation of every successful faith-based institution and effectively allow all of the members to participate in any manner they can. To leverage the PPP to secure other peoples’ money automatically perverts the fundamental relationship between a congregant and his/her church. Additionally, since the program is a “first come, first served” process (until the funds are depleted), any church which succeeds in beating another struggling small business to the available funds has, in effect, deprived people of their livelihood. Small business and its employees pay and will pay the taxes to support this program now and into the future. Churches don’t pay taxes. This seed should not be planted and does not seem to be very Christian to me.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Churches are comprised of independent groups of people who share specific beliefs and who are taught to care for one another and for others. It is the principal responsibility of these congregations to support the functions and the missions associated with their belief system. Budgets are generally established based upon the sacred commitments and contributions of congregation members. These personal pledges are the foundation of every successful faith-based institution and effectively allow all of the members to participate in any manner they can. To leverage the PPP to secure other peoples’ money automatically perverts the fundamental relationship between a congregant and his/her church. Additionally, since the program is a “first come, first served” process (until the funds are depleted), any church which succeeds in beating another struggling small business to the available funds has, in effect, deprived people of their livelihood. Small business and its employees pay and will pay the taxes to support this program now and into the future. Churches don’t pay taxes. This seed should not be planted and does not seem to be very Christian to me.

So another small business' employees are more important than ours? Churches are just supposed to bow down and take it on the chin because?...

 

[JettaKnight]

Again, the horse has left the barn. Do you know how many churches have mortgages?


Churches are seeing, and will continue to see, a loss of income. What would have them do? Layoff staff? Cut charity work? Tell a missionary in the field goodbye?



As to the "pay taxes to support it", well our current taxes didn't support the government before this - new debt made up the difference.
And my company doesn't make a profit, so we don't pay taxes, but we've applied for money.


Churches serve a vital roll in the community and are best equipped to comfort those who are hurting right now. I certainly feel that fund them with PPP monies is a good use of those CARES funds.

 

[JettaKnight]

If we want to talk about unethical church practices, let's talk about pastors that conflate Biblical precepts with libertarian beliefs. I.e. those that think sensible safety measures in an infringement on "mye-rites".

https://www.wane.com/news/tampa-pas...ut-not-to-protect-congregation-from-covid-19/


And this one is apparently doing it as a publicity stunt:
https://www.wane.com/news/pa-pastor-blasts-coronavirus-orders-plans-outdoor-service-like-woodstock/
I never heard of Jonathan Shuttlesworth. After looking into him, he's a real piece of work that doesn't appear to exhibit any of the fruits of the spirit. For one thing, his Twitter profile picture is him on a private jet. The guy is nothing more than a huckster with a pulpit, a Osteen neophyte.


Pastors should care for their flock, and that means not endangering them for your personal glory or vain beliefs.


There are so many un-Christian things I want to say about these people.... but first, Jesus didn't go around talking about what "rights" you have and how you need to fight for them (that was the Beastie Boys), and second, Jesus never said anything about Christians being financially and socially prosperous. In fact, it's pretty obvious that he spoke that Christians should expect neither of those things.