Exposing government tyranny = "wants no government at all"?
How exactly do you make this leap of logic?
Simple. I jumped.
Exposing government tyranny = "wants no government at all"?
How exactly do you make this leap of logic?
Simple. I jumped.
I wonder if the founders ever intended for the Federal Government to operate outside the borders of this country.
It contradicts my conscious to think that a document penned to put an end to tyranny would give credence to the same tyranny as long as it was being done upon a people of a different land.
I'm confused.
ram, is your complaint that it should be the USAF behind the joysticks on the drones (isn't it already)?
What's wrong with the CIA killing enemy combatants? Isn't this what the government should be doing? The OSS did it before the CIA and let us all hope that we kill many of them.
When and where? In Wazirastan? In Iowa? What are you talking about?
I'm not certain what you mean by that, but the Bill of Rights does not apply to nonresident aliens outside the United States of America.
United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here's a contradiction: the prohibitions on tyranny placed on the federal government did not similarly limit state or local governing authorities. If in fact the goal was the abolition of all government-sponsored tyranny, why is it that the founders left the states free to trample rights as they saw fit?
And failed.
No, no. I'm pretty sure I jumped. No failure there.
Prepare yourself for the ground of this argument to shift under your feet.
SEALS are a bit different. They're more like shock troops than anything else. Not really operating independantly in a clandestine manner. Of the de-classifed operations, they've been used as a force to carry out specific ops originated outside of their ranks.
DELTA would be a better comparison as they often act on behalf of the US Army out of uniform, similar to how the CIA operate. DELTA (once again based on declassified ops) is given free reign to conduct their operations as they see fit within a very vague general description of what is supposed to happen. And also like the CIA, if you're caught, DELTA doesn't exist according to the US government.
Are you arguing with my conclusion or the fact that I connected pieces together to get there?
Anwar Al Awlaki is an American citizen, actively being targeted for termination.
This is the kind of person you want to defend? He's a dual citizen of the US and Yemen and widely recognized as working toward the destruction of the United States. If he's on US soil then yes, he deserves due process. If he's in the middle east (enjoying his Yemeni ccitizenship) and working against us then I have no problem with the CIA flying a drone down his throat.
It was reported in 2010 that dozens of other American citizens are being targeted as well.
Like who? A factory worker in Gary, IN? The owner of a bakery in Bloomington? No, enemies of the state. If they are on US Soil and US citizens they deserve due process. If they are on foreign soil, plotting against the US or shooting at our troops they deserve to die the death they've chosen for themselves. May they enjoy their virgins.
The only thing that is going to bring this country to its knees is its own government. It shouldn't be hard to imagine how that might happen.
And enough with the "If you disagree with me you must hate America" stuff.
I'm open to healthy debate. My statement was not based on this one thread alone but hundreds.
Guess what? The 'go back to sleep' mentality is what is wrong with the country. I love this country too. You can't even bring yourself to admit that there are actual injustices perpetrated by the government. That doesn't sound like the attitude we need to keep this government on the straight and narrow.
I admit to injustices when I see them. What I don't do is constantly search out anything I can construe as further evidence that the United States is the root of all evil on this planet.
If nothing changes in this government, the country will necessarily devolve into ruin. The course America travels on has been unsustainable for a long time. Do you deny that? All these well-intentioned exemptions from the constitution will bite us in the ass.
You are right about that. If we keep catering to criminals and parasites like we have been this country is destined to go into the toilet. What I find to be the biggest problem, by far, is the increasing number of people in this country content to sit in their free homes, eating free food and contributing nothing other than a hand at the voting booth. You really want to scream about injustices? Research the bureaucracies which not only allow this to continue, but reward those who join the team.
America is not perfect but it [STRIKE]can[/STRIKE] MUST learn to be better. Patriotism is not about making excuses for your rulers.
I'm not making excuses for anyone, that would imply that I believe what they are doing is wrong. I don't. I'm behind any government entity who is putting down those who are trying to hurt this country.
The CIA itself is overseas participating in the killing.
CIA to operate drones over Yemen
(Yes America is bombing Yemen too)
That's what the military is for. I think it is a bit troubling when civilian bureaucracies are now being renowned for turning into a "killing machine." They should stick with intelligence, if they stick around at all.
The CIA is another bureaucracy run amok, given a license to kill and showing no obedience to our constitution.
If that is true, then does it follow that the Feds may do the following to non-resident aliens on foreign soil? Ban free speech, ban assembly, ban religion, confiscate weapons, quarter soldiers in homes, detain people indefinitely without due process, torture people...
Rights aren't truly derived from the constitution anyways, correct? Neither are they derived from which patch of dirt you were born on.
DHS Deploying Predator Drones over Canadian Border
Aerial drones to begin circling American cities
Are you arguing with my conclusion or the fact that I connected pieces together to get there?
Because I can guarantee that I pieced together multiple bits of evidence to come to my conclusion. Whether or not you agree with it is irrelevant. I did, in fact, jump.
Now, if you'd like to discuss the conclusion itself, please, be my guest. It would be an improvement over your latest passive-aggressive attempts.
I'd be glad to hear the evidence that you pieced together to prove that he is an anarchist.
For starters: he will condemn a government for actions it has the authority, and in some cases, a mandate to perform.
Now, does this mean you disagree with my conclusion?
What in the world?However, I'd add one more detail: they don't think anything a GOVERNMENT does is legitimate. Rambone's posted quite a few articles highlighting state government tyranny (and it is tyranny) of late which makes me think he wants no government at all.
For starters: he will condemn a government for actions it has the authority, and in some cases, a mandate to perform.
Now, does this mean you disagree with my conclusion?
What other kinds of wars are there?I certainly don't view our federal government as having that much credibility anymore. Also, I don't have a problem with blowing the **** out of our enemies, but the CIA is involved in influencing foreign politics through threats and violence. Those politics usually have nothing to do with our national security. I'm all for legitimate wars. I'm against wars that are for money or power.
Oh I definitely disagree with your conclusion.
Condemning the actions of a government does not equate to anarchy.
Condemning the manner in which it performs the things that it has a mandate to perform also does not equate to anarchy.
I could be wrong. But that is how he presents himself.
I wonder if the founders ever intended for the Federal Government to operate outside the borders of this country.
It contradicts my conscious to think that a document penned to put an end to tyranny would give credence to the same tyranny as long as it was being done upon a people of a different land.
Is there ever a time when Rambone has even grudgingly accepted governmental authority? Legitimate authority granted by the people? Is the Constitution just wrong?
INDIANA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PAVES ROAD
This is an acceptable government program.
Rambone