Carmel and Lifetime Permit Procedure

[1911Shooter]

The police chief is simply trying to cover his own butt. If someone was nuts and did get it, it would be all over the news that the police chief approved it, not that Indiana approved it. Its a political thing, just go it there and tell the truth. If you do that you will be fine.

 

[GuyRelford]

The statutory requirement is that you be a "proper person" and have a "proper reason" for carrying a handgun. "Proper person" means not disqualified under Ind. Code 35-47-1-7.

"Proper reason" is defined as "for the defense of oneself or the State of Indiana." See Ind. Code 35-47-1-8.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Just a point of curiosity: Everyone seems to fret when a chief or sheriff wants to meet with them, "what is he going to ask me?" and in a way, I do understand, but here's a thought.... when you go in, have a list of questions you want to ask him, such as why he wanted the meeting, how his officers are trained to respond to open-carriers, whether or not his LEOs are trained (or allowed) to confiscate, even temporarily, a LTCH-holder's firearm after the LTCH is verified valid and if so, how he can justify this in light of the IN Supreme Court's ruling.

Note that I am in no way suggesting that this should be confrontational. Be very relaxed and calm about your questions and make clear that you're concerned because of things that have happened, not only in his jurisdiction but elsewhere, and you want to remain on the good side of the law, but by the same token, you want to know that his officers won't unknowingly or unintentionally paint you as being otherwise when you are not. Do make sure you know the law cold, including the name of (and if possible, the quote from) the IN Supreme Court case referenced above.

With luck, you'll come out with more info and hell, who knows, he might even reconsider having these meetings in the future!

Additionally, I know that now-Senator Jim Tomes took an issue with the Evansville PD (which was requiring a photo to apply for a LTCH) to ISP, who eventually told them to knock it off.

They did, backpedaling the whole way.

It's worth a try.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[GuyRelford]

Just a point of curiosity: Everyone seems to fret when a chief or sheriff wants to meet with them, "what is he going to ask me?" and in a way, I do understand, but here's a thought.... when you go in, have a list of questions you want to ask him, such as why he wanted the meeting, how his officers are trained to respond to open-carriers, whether or not his LEOs are trained (or allowed) to confiscate, even temporarily, a LTCH-holder's firearm after the LTCH is verified valid and if so, how he can justify this in light of the IN Supreme Court's ruling.

Note that I am in no way suggesting that this should be confrontational. Be very relaxed and calm about your questions and make clear that you're concerned because of things that have happened, not only in his jurisdiction but elsewhere, and you want to remain on the good side of the law, but by the same token, you want to know that his officers won't unknowingly or unintentionally paint you as being otherwise when you are not. Do make sure you know the law cold, including the name of (and if possible, the quote from) the IN Supreme Court case referenced above.

With luck, you'll come out with more info and hell, who knows, he might even reconsider having these meetings in the future!

I love it!! +1!!

 

[rjstew317]

Just a point of curiosity: Everyone seems to fret when a chief or sheriff wants to meet with them, "what is he going to ask me?" and in a way, I do understand, but here's a thought.... when you go in, have a list of questions you want to ask him, such as why he wanted the meeting, how his officers are trained to respond to open-carriers, whether or not his LEOs are trained (or allowed) to confiscate, even temporarily, a LTCH-holder's firearm after the LTCH is verified valid and if so, how he can justify this in light of the IN Supreme Court's ruling.

Note that I am in no way suggesting that this should be confrontational. Be very relaxed and calm about your questions and make clear that you're concerned because of things that have happened, not only in his jurisdiction but elsewhere, and you want to remain on the good side of the law, but by the same token, you want to know that his officers won't unknowingly or unintentionally paint you as being otherwise when you are not. Do make sure you know the law cold, including the name of (and if possible, the quote from) the IN Supreme Court case referenced above.

With luck, you'll come out with more info and hell, who knows, he might even reconsider having these meetings in the future!

Additionally, I know that now-Senator Jim Tomes took an issue with the Evansville PD (which was requiring a photo to apply for a LTCH) to ISP, who eventually told them to knock it off.

They did, backpedaling the whole way.

It's worth a try.

Blessings,
Bill

bill, when i went in to set up the meeting they asked me for my DL and made a copy of it. i didn't think much of it, but is this SOP?

 

[jblomenberg16]

I have a friend that is getting his first Lifetime Carry Permit. He went to fill out the paper work and get printed. Once he was done and had paid all the fees he was told that he had to set an appointment with the Carmel chief of police to explain why he wanted a permit. He's freaking out and wants to know what reason is acceptable. I told him just to say personal protection. My question is has anyone heard of this before? And secondly unless the fellow says I want to shoot cops and kids is there any way this chief of police can deny his permit? If he can't deny it why is he wasting his time and my tax dollars to meet with this fellow?

My wife and I wrote letters to our police cheif when we applied for our Unlimited LTCH, as that was our departments procedure.

Both of our letters were short and sweet: We wished to exercise our 2nd Amendment RKBA to protect ourselves, our family, and our property.


We each got our LTCH with no issues. I think the departments that require the letter or interview just want to have one more double check that someone isn't really nuts and planning to do something stupid.

 

[clelaj]

I got my license at Carmel. The interview with chief was very short and cordial. I said for personal defense and going to range. He asked if I had experience, I said hunted quite a bit years ago. Chief suggested training if I had not already. It may viewed as a p.i.a., but it is part of the process just like getting finger printed.

 

[Bill of Rights]

bill, when i went in to set up the meeting they asked me for my DL and made a copy of it. i didn't think much of it, but is this SOP?

No clue. I don't live in Carmel, I didn't have a meeting, I went and turned my paperwork in to the clerk who handles LTCH applications and C&R and Class III applications, she took it, then called me back a little while later and said it was signed and I could pick it up whenever I was back by and they were open. Wish I could tell you better, but I bet your sheriff (or chief) can!

Blessings,
Bill

 

[dooleydclown]

That's why I'm glad I live in the county!

 

[mr_camera_man]

I'm a newbie here... I'm currently in Crook county, but I just bought a house in Highland and I'll be moving soon. Does anyone know if the Highland PD does interviews like this, and what I can expect from them?

 

[Marc]

its his right as a citizen and for protection.

 

[Moosecrackers]

I think this has pretty much been beat to death, but I'll add my opinion/experience anyway...

I renewed one permit in Carmel several years ago and there was no interview involved. More recently, I re-applied for a lifetime permit (actually I had let my old permit expire so I had to fill out all of the paperwork again as if it was a new permit). Again, no interview. That was about a year ago.

Having had my fair share of interactions with the CPD, I'd say the interview is nothing to worry about.

MC