Can I Cary here?

[tlcmbc]

Wife won a radio contest. The prize was an over night stay and tickets to a show at Blue Chip Casino in Michigan City. Can I carry here? I would be carrying concealed. Do they allow it and do they have detectors that I would set off if they dont. Thanks

 

[stephen87]

It used to be Riverboat Casinos were a no go. I think they considered all casinos to be riverboat casinos but could not find anything. I did find that it no longer says riverboat casinos though.


It is against Indiana Administrative Code to carry in a casino.

68 IAC 1-7-1 Weapons in the casino
Authority: IC 4-33-4; IC 4-35-4
Affected: IC 4-33-8; IC 4-35-6.5; IC 35-41-1-17
Sec. 1. (a) The following definitions apply throughout this rule:
(1) "Federal enforcement officer" has the meaning set forth in IC 35-41-1-17, or means a law enforcement officer as defined
in 5 U.S.C. 8331(2), or both.
(2) "Law enforcement officer" has the meaning set forth in IC 35-41-1-17.
(3) "Security personnel" means an employee of the casino licensee or a supplier licensee who:
(A) holds the appropriate level of occupational license under IC 4-33-8 or IC 4-35-6.5, and 68 IAC 2-3; and
(B) is employed in the casino licensee's security department or by a supplier licensee that contractually provides
security services to a casino licensee.
(b) An enforcement agent may carry a weapon in the casino. A law enforcement officer or a federal enforcement officer:
(1) whose sole purpose for being in the casino is the performance of official duties; and
(2) who has advised the enforcement agent or the commission that the officer will be in the casino;
shall be allowed to carry a weapon in the casino.
(c) The casino licensee shall post a sign in a prominent place at the point of passenger ingress stating, "No weapons are
allowed beyond this point. Failure to comply with this rule may result in immediate removal from the casino, immediate detention
by security personnel, the imposition of civil penalties, or exclusion under applicable law.".
(d) The casino licensee shall provide a secure place to which patrons do not have access to store weapons checked by:
(1) patrons;
(2) off duty law enforcement officers; or
(3) off duty federal enforcement officers.
(e) Security personnel may carry a weapon in the casino during times that patrons are not present.

I'm not entirely sure what the penalty is, and if that makes it against the law. Someone wanna help me out or become a test subject?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I believe Stephen87 is correct.

 

[MikeDVB]

Is it legal? I don't know... I'm sure it's likely against their policy either way so if they found you with it you would be ejected or possibly taken to the back room.

 

[qwerty]

I think that law changed, the IC code shows repealed regarding riverboats. BlueChip has had a long standing policy regarding no firearms. If you have a license to carry, they provide storage lockers available for you in their security office.

 

[MikeDVB]

I think that law changed, the IC code shows repealed regarding riverboats. BlueChip has had a long standing policy regarding no firearms. If you have a license to carry, they provide storage lockers available for you in their security office.

That's good to know - when/how did it get repealed? I'll look around...

 

[stephen87]

I think that law changed, the IC code shows repealed regarding riverboats. BlueChip has had a long standing policy regarding no firearms. If you have a license to carry, they provide storage lockers available for you in their security office.

It is still an IAC though. Does that hold any weight with the law or is it just general guidelines?

 

[qwerty]

That's good to know - when/how did it get repealed? I'll look around...

Guess not so fast, check out 68 IAC 1-7-1: www.in.gov/legislative/iac/T00680/A00010.PD

68 IAC 1-7-1 Weapons in the casino
Authority: IC 4-33-4; IC 4-35-4
Affected: IC 4-33-8; IC 4-35-6.5; IC 35-41-1-17
Sec. 1. (a) The following definitions apply throughout this rule:
(1) "Federal enforcement officer" has the meaning set forth in IC 35-41-1-17, or means a law enforcement officer as defined
in 5 U.S.C. 8331(2), or both.
(2) "Law enforcement officer" has the meaning set forth in IC 35-41-1-17.
(3) "Security personnel" means an employee of the casino licensee or a supplier licensee who:
(A) holds the appropriate level of occupational license under IC 4-33-8 or IC 4-35-6.5, and 68 IAC 2-3; and
(B) is employed in the casino licensee's security department or by a supplier licensee that contractually provides
security services to a casino licensee.
(b) An enforcement agent may carry a weapon in the casino. A law enforcement officer or a federal enforcement officer:
(1) whose sole purpose for being in the casino is the performance of official duties; and
(2) who has advised the enforcement agent or the commission that the officer will be in the casino;
shall be allowed to carry a weapon in the casino.
(c) The casino licensee shall post a sign in a prominent place at the point of passenger ingress stating, "No weapons are
allowed beyond this point. Failure to comply with this rule may result in immediate removal from the casino, immediate detention
by security personnel, the imposition of civil penalties, or exclusion under applicable law.".
(d) The casino licensee shall provide a secure place to which patrons do not have access to store weapons checked by:
(1) patrons;
(2) off duty law enforcement officers; or
(3) off duty federal enforcement officers.
(e) Security personnel may carry a weapon in the casino during times that patrons are not present.

 

[MikeDVB]

Guess not so fast, check out 68 IAC 1-7-1: www.in.gov/legislative/iac/T00680/A00010.PD

68 IAC 1-7-1 Weapons in the casino
Authority: IC 4-33-4; IC 4-35-4
Affected: IC 4-33-8; IC 4-35-6.5; IC 35-41-1-17
Sec. 1. (a) The following definitions apply throughout this rule:
(1) "Federal enforcement officer" has the meaning set forth in IC 35-41-1-17, or means a law enforcement officer as defined
in 5 U.S.C. 8331(2), or both.
(2) "Law enforcement officer" has the meaning set forth in IC 35-41-1-17.
(3) "Security personnel" means an employee of the casino licensee or a supplier licensee who:
(A) holds the appropriate level of occupational license under IC 4-33-8 or IC 4-35-6.5, and 68 IAC 2-3; and
(B) is employed in the casino licensee's security department or by a supplier licensee that contractually provides
security services to a casino licensee.
(b) An enforcement agent may carry a weapon in the casino. A law enforcement officer or a federal enforcement officer:
(1) whose sole purpose for being in the casino is the performance of official duties; and
(2) who has advised the enforcement agent or the commission that the officer will be in the casino;
shall be allowed to carry a weapon in the casino.
(c) The casino licensee shall post a sign in a prominent place at the point of passenger ingress stating, "No weapons are
allowed beyond this point. Failure to comply with this rule may result in immediate removal from the casino, immediate detention
by security personnel, the imposition of civil penalties, or exclusion under applicable law.".
(d) The casino licensee shall provide a secure place to which patrons do not have access to store weapons checked by:
(1) patrons;
(2) off duty law enforcement officers; or
(3) off duty federal enforcement officers.
(e) Security personnel may carry a weapon in the casino during times that patrons are not present.

What exactly is Indiana Administrative Code and how/why does it apply to the citizens. That said, why do we have the IAC and IC?

I don't understand why there are two separate sets of laws?

 

[qwerty]

What exactly is Indiana Administrative Code and how/why does it apply to the citizens. That said, why do we have the IAC and IC?

I don't understand why there are two separate sets of laws?

IAC is administrative code so the worse that can happen is they will ask you to leave and not come back. Their only other recourse is civil action as far as I know. The open burning law in Lake County is an administrative law, unless there is a violation of a local ordinance, there is not much a LEO can do.

 

[tlcmbc]

Guess I won't carry there. Thanks

 

[MikeDVB]

I carry a Glock because a cop is too heavy.

You better see if your LGS has a cop you can rent to carry around .

 

[KW730]

What exactly is Indiana Administrative Code and how/why does it apply to the citizens. That said, why do we have the IAC and IC?

I don't understand why there are two separate sets of laws?

IAC is state law. It extists to keep lengthy legislative procedures from stagnating laws that need to exist in a short timeframe. Without IAC, everytime animal populations change and DNR needs to change bag limits they would be forced to go through the legislature, and there are many other examples. Carry and store it with the casino. Then have a good time.

 

[stephen87]

If it's state law, what is the penalty? I've yet to find that.

 

[KW730]

If it's law, what is the penalty? I've yet to find that.

Usually the penalty is spelled out with the offense, as it is with the DNR regs. I can only assume that no listed penalty means no penalty. Maybe it has been decriminalized?

 

[Signal23]

Call them up and ask, you won't be the first guy to call

 

[Titanium_Frost]

If it's state law, what is the penalty? I've yet to find that.

It says it right in the code; leave, detention or civil action.

 

[MikeDVB]

It says it right in the code; leave, detention or civil action.

Does it not need to be clearly defined? 'detention' could be 10 minutes or 10 years.

 

[actaeon277]

Why not make it so hard to know the rules that the average citizen becomes a criminal, accidently.
Oh that's right. They did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBiJB8YuDBQ

 

[sig-guy]

Guess I won't carry there. Thanks

You don't have to worry about carrying to the Blue Chip in Michigan City.
(they are the most gun friendly casino I've been too)
It is Indiana law for casinos to have a secure location for weapons check.

When you enter the casino (river boat) you have to disarm before entering. That's no problem either, as they have lock boxes in their security office. They are very gun friendly people. I go there often and have never had an issue.

When you enter through the front glass doors, you walk straight towards the casino (you'll see security gaurds by the entrance). Passing a steakhouse on the left, a sandwich place on the right. Next is a Buffet to the right and a hallway to the left. Go down this hallway, passing the giftshop and coat check, then you'll come to the security office. All of these are on the right. If you come to the rest rooms (before the turn) you walked to far.

Walk up and tell them you need to check a weapon. They will call the main office, then tell you to come around through the door on the left. Once in their office they will do one of two things (copy your DL or write your name on a piece of paper) which is then attached to the locker door. If they copy your DL you just go back and retrieve it. If name is on paper, you must show your DL again to retrieve it.

The weapon is to be holstered when its in their lock boxes. Fully unloaded. You can either stick the mag and bullet next to the weapon in the locker or stick them in your pocket.

Most of the security personnal will not check to see if you have a LTCH, but their is one older lady who will normally ask to see it, until she gets to know you. Most of the ladies are very nice and gentle on the eyes.

Any other questions, just ask. I know far to much about their place of business! lol