Bunkerville NV escalating.

[billt]

Property taxes are proof that government actually owns the land & that we just lease it.

Yes and no. If you refuse a Breathalyzer test, you'll be convicted of drunk driving, even though you might not be. Same deal with property tax. If you refuse to pay, they'll eventually evict you and sell your property. You will get a lot of back and forth before that actually happens. With a DUI, not so much. Handcuffs and jail immediately. HOA's are just as bad. That's why people have been shot at meetings.

 

[zippy23]

a man stood up to the feds. pure and simple. this should inspire everyone who reads the story. This is an inspiration for all who want the gov't out of our lives. They are there to build roads and facilitate a military. Not to screw people because of a turtle, or gnat, or bird. This man is a national hero

 

[cop car]

This man is a national hero

then this country has no hope

 

[IndyDave1776]

a man stood up to the feds. pure and simple. this should inspire everyone who reads the story. This is an inspiration for all who want the gov't out of our lives. They are there to build roads and facilitate a military. Not to screw people because of a turtle, or gnat, or bird. This man is a national hero

then this country has no hope

Zippy, you have just been insulted by an automobile. How do you like that?

 

[Cameramonkey]

then this country has no hope

not disagreeing with you as I'm on the fence. As my math teacher would say, "please show your work" (please elaborate)

 

[KG1]

I would'nt go as far as calling Bundy a national hero. I would be more likely to consider this whole situation as a conduit that drew national attention to .gov's heavy hand and lead to a call of action for those inclined to take a trip out there and confront it.

 

[billt]

I would'nt go as far as calling Bundy a national hero. I would be more likely to consider this whole situation as a conduit that drew national attention to .gov's heavy hand and lead to a call of action for those inclined to take a trip out there and confront it.

This is it in a nutshell. Especially with the hard right. Today anyone who stands up to the Federal Government, for whatever reason, is going to attract a big following, along with the press to go with it. What I find funny is the same pro government, socialist liberals who are whining about how, "The law is the law, and this guy BROKE IT!", are the same people who think we should look the other way regarding illegal invaders. They not only do not want them prosecuted, they want to throw money and benefits at them. These people are more hypocritical than a nun in a whore house.

 

[jamil]

I would'nt go as far as calling Bundy a national hero. I would be more likely to consider this whole situation as a conduit that drew national attention to .gov's heavy hand and lead to a call of action for those inclined to take a trip out there and confront it.

This is it in a nutshell. Especially with the hard right. Today anyone who stands up to the Federal Government, for whatever reason, is going to attract a big following, along with the press to go with it. What I find funny is the same pro government, socialist liberals who are whining about how, "The law is the law, and this guy BROKE IT!", are the same people who think we should look the other way regarding illegal invaders. They not only do not want them prosecuted, they want to throw money and benefits at them. These people are more hypocritical than a nun in a whore house.

I was on the fence about Bundy until more facts came out that tell me he should obey the law. But I was never on the fence about the government preparing to go full Waco on his ass. Just the free speech zones are enough to incite a call to action.

 

[dieselrealtor]

I was on the fence about Bundy until more facts came out that tell me he should obey the law. But I was never on the fence about the government preparing to go full Waco on his ass. Just the free speech zones are enough to incite a call to action.

Please educate me here, I have heard about the free speech zones/1st amendment zones regarding this, what were they?

 

[public servant]

Please educate me here, I have heard about the free speech zones/1st amendment zones regarding this, what were they?

In this case, they were a set of badly Photoshopped pictures.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

In this case, they were a set of badly Photoshopped pictures.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, you can't point that out! Demagogues got to be allowed to gogue, or you hate liberty.

 

[public servant]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, you can't point that out! Demagogues got to be allowed to gogue, or you hate liberty.

Oh...well in that case...I retract.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

How dare you point out that a thread on INGO is based on fraud and trickery in order to incite outrage! How dare you interfere with my right to throw a tantrum. You'll never take my freedom . . . or tell me when to go to bed!

Next you will be resorting to the ultimate evil--the posting of actual court orders, the nerve of some people. INGO bows only to the Supreme Court of Mogadishu, the side with the most guns.

Court orders here=>Reflection on Bundy Ranch and Armed Resistance to Court Orders

 

[HoughMade]

Apparently you don't understand that we pick our heroes based upon their rhetoric and ignore anything else. If a guy's anti-government, no matter the level of crack-pottery, he's our guy.

 

[billt]

Apparently you don't understand that we pick our heroes based upon their rhetoric and ignore anything else. If a guy's anti-government, no matter the level of crack-pottery, he's our guy.

As much as it pains me to agree with you, you're right on the money.

 

[Manatee]

In this case, they were a set of badly Photoshopped pictures.

You do realize that one of the first "free speech zones" was used by Dick Cheney in EVANSVILLE in 2002 and that the Bush Administration used them many times?

Evansville, Indiana
On February 6, 2002, Vice President Cheney was scheduled to appear at the local Civic Center. John Blair, a local activist, walked back and forth on the sidewalk across the street from the Civic Center carrying a sign reading ""Cheney - 19th C. Energy Man."" When Blair stopped walking, he was ordered to move to a ""protest zone"" more than a block away from the Civic Center. When he refused to do so, he was arrested. Spectators or passers-by who did not express any views about the Vice President's policies were allowed to walk on the sidewalk in front of the Civic Center. Blair, represented by the ACLU, successfully challenged the arrest. But the lawsuit remains in force because the city has refused to acknowledge that it had no right to ignore Blair's constitutional rights.

 

[smokingman]

In this case, they were a set of badly Photoshopped pictures.

I am not sure,but are you saying that is not actually one of the free speech zones,and is in fact a photo shopped picture?
Because aside from the outer edge that is in fact an image of on of the free speech zones.You can even find the video footage from the local channel 8 news of that site along with many other images.

 

[dieselrealtor]

Wrong is Wrong, no matter who does it. (good for the goose, etc.)

So, to make sure I understand, there was a roped off area that was designated for free speech? Not allowing it elsewhere?

Still trying to understand the scope.

You do realize that one of the first "free speech zones" was used by Dick Cheney in EVANSVILLE in 2002 and that the Bush Administration used them many times?

 

[Manatee]

https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/se...t-anti-bush-protesters-rallies-aclu-charges-u

https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/free-speech-under-fire-aclu-challenge-protest-zones

Not that I'm overly fond of the ACLU or OWS, but the links above are nationally known cases.

There is also the brouhahas over OWS in NYC on Wall Street, and the Sacramento pepper spray incident by UC Davis police.

Protests of most types have never been accepted by authority, democrat or republican no exception.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Please educate me here, I have heard about the free speech zones/1st amendment zones regarding this, what were they?

Since shortly after 9/11, it has become common practice to corral those exercising their rights to assemble into designated areas, generally well away from those whose attention they wish to gain for the purpose, much like having an event some people wish to protest on Monument Circle and establishing a 'First Amendment Zone' at Fountain Square. It is similar in principle with our 'Consitution-free zones' within 100miles of any border including the oceans.

In this case, they were a set of badly Photoshopped pictures.

Photoshopped or not, it doesn't change the fact that doing so is standard procedure and did happen.

Apparently you don't understand that we pick our heroes based upon their rhetoric and ignore anything else. If a guy's anti-government, no matter the level of crack-pottery, he's our guy.

Those who serve as the catalyst are often not perfect people, and are not necessarily entirely correct, but they are entitled to due process which does not include a military-style invasion and/or the willful and gratuitous destruction of their property or lives.

It is also significant to remember that the first several targets will be deliberately selected for being unlikely to gain public support and after unacceptable behavior becomes accepted against 'those people' then it will be applied to those more likely to gain public sympathy, but now the feds can and will scream "PRECEDENT! PRECEDENT!". This leads to my next question: How is it that precedent has come to trump both Constitution and legislation, and how does past wrong behavior justify present and future wrong behavior?

By the way, does anyone think that the feds would have tried what they did with that church in Indianapolis they confiscated which later became a charter school had there been more pushback from Waco? After all, it is legal to give anyone up to $23K per year tax free which is exactly what the congregants did (individually, not corporately) with their preacher, but the feds stepped in and said, "We don't recognize your loophole" and confiscated the property, which was not of trifling value.

You do realize that one of the first "free speech zones" was used by Dick Cheney in EVANSVILLE in 2002 and that the Bush Administration used them many times?

While we are on this tangent, we could address the fact that aside from using a select few issues to incite emotional reactions, since Bush I was in office, the teleprompter has said the same thing regardless of who was reading it.