Black man shot in Kenosha, riots starting all over again...

[singlestacksig]

I now wish I had a discover card just so I could cancel it.

it costs them more if you keep your account & just don't use it.. make sure you select paper statements..

 

[buckwacker]

it costs them more if you keep your account & just don't use it.. make sure you select paper statements..

For some reason that wouldn't be quite as satisfying as telling them to take their card and politics and shove them up their tailpipe.

 

[ws6guy]

Damn I pretty much use my discover for everything

 

[Cameramonkey]

it costs them more if you keep your account & just don't use it.. make sure you select paper statements..

just got off the phone. It’s closed. And they know why.

I have the same dislike for Ray Skillman. Enough that I don’t bother telling them to take me off of their mailing list. I get on average one piece of mail from them every week in some cases wanting to buy a car I no longer own. I love the satisfaction of them spending money on me every week when I will never spend money there ever again.

And I was polite and friendly to both agents. Its not their fault. First lady was shocked when I told her. "OH! That is VERY interesting... " When she transferred me to the retention specialist, I got the vague feeling that I wasnt the first person who he had talked to about this. He didnt bat an eye.

 

[Tombs]

We just said that doesn't work. They want to make it worse?

Karl would be embarrassed by these dumbass marxists.

You do know that while we call them commies, they aren't really commies. They're an ideology created by the communists to spread to western nations for the purpose of destabilizing them.
Kind of like how the CIA famously air dropped Alinsky's "Rules for radicals" book to nations we wanted to destabilize.

It's an ideological weapon.

I always like to think about the kung-pow scene, where they purposefully trained someone wrong.
[video=youtube;ZqaCEPwWGtc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqaCEPwWGtc[/video]

 

[Phase2]

it costs them more if you keep your account & just don't use it.. make sure you select paper statements..

Not a good strategy. They won't learn that they've done something that you as a customer object to and there is no reason to change or reverse course. The costs to gain an additional customer are far higher than the cost to send out paper statements.

 

[singlestacksig]

this author thinks the arm shot was not "good" ?


https://www.chicagotribune.com/colu...0200903-susvsg45yndn7pb67l42ywnzn4-story.html

 

[KLB]

this author thinks the arm shot was not "good" ?


https://www.chicagotribune.com/colu...0200903-susvsg45yndn7pb67l42ywnzn4-story.html

He was mostly right about the circumstances, and hopefully about the eventual outcome. He is wrong about the arm wound though.

 

[buckwacker]

He was mostly right about the circumstances, and hopefully about the eventual outcome. He is wrong about the arm wound though.

Most definitely wrong about the arm shot. We can all see the video; he was bringing the pistol around toward Rittenhouse when he was shot. Of all the shots Rittenhouse fired, that one is the most easily classified as self defense.

 

[Alpo]

Average reaction time in a charged situation is what 200 milliseconds? Maybe a little more?

Average time for a non-competitive shooter to take a gun in hand to aim & fire? 100 to 400 milliseconds.

Rittenhouse was presented with no real choice.

 

[actaeon277]

If a guy "surrenders", but then continues to advance towards you, it's not a "surrender".

 

[jamil]

[video=youtube_share;QhYiuOccDI0]http://youtu.be/QhYiuOccDI0[/video]

Another possible twist. Maybe this is why the DA is charging him with the weapons charge. If he can get that to stick he could probably argue that Kyle’s “illegal” possession of a firearm incited the crowd to chase him, thereby thwarting the self defense claim. I think it’s a tough sell. Even if the weapons charge sticks, the thing that incited the crowd was Kyle putting out their dumpster fire.

 

[KG1]

[video=youtube_share;QhYiuOccDI0]http://youtu.be/QhYiuOccDI0[/video]

Another possible twist. Maybe this is why the DA is charging him with the weapons charge. If he can get that to stick he could probably argue that Kyle’s “illegal” possession of a firearm incited the crowd to chase him, thereby thwarting the self defense claim. I think it’s a tough sell. Even if the weapons charge sticks, the thing that incited the crowd was Kyle putting out their dumpster fire.

I'm not seeing it. How the hell would the crowd know that the weapon was illegally possessed? "Oh Look! That kid has an illegally possessed rifle! Let's disarm him!" I'm not seeing any indication that Kyle intentionally incited anyone to do what they did. The crowd was just itching for a confrontation. They chose Kyle.

 

[Kutnupe14]

How many people believe that the cops were going after Blake with the intent of loading him up in a boxcar or a body bag? If that's the case then why did they bother to use non lethal options in the first place?

I guess it doesn't matter though. Maybe Blake thought they were.

I certainly don’t. But I don’t think that’s the argument. I think the notion is, that police are more willing, or quicker, to employ deadly force on persons of color. In my experience, from a “hands on perspective,” that’s not wrong in many cases. However, that is rarely based on the race of the officer, but typically their previous familiarity with PoCs. I’ve seen white officers show Herculean patience with some PoCs (when I would have smacked them long ago), I’ve seen Black officers drop a PoC at the drop of a hat.

 

[KG1]

I certainly don’t. But I don’t think that’s the argument. I think the notion is, that police are more willing, or quicker, to employ deadly force on persons of color. In my experience, from a “hands on perspective,” that’s not wrong in many cases. However, that is rarely based on the race of the officer, but typically their previous familiarity with PoCs. I’ve seen white officers show Herculean patience with some PoCs (when I would have smacked them long ago), I’ve seen Black officers drop a PoC at the drop of a hat.

Why do you think that is though? I mean why do you think that police officers of all races are more willing or quicker to employ deadly force on persons of color? Seems like you are suggesting that it's more a matter of previous familiarity with PoC's and not particularly driven by racism.

Am I wrong?

 

[The Bubba Effect]

C
would have smacked them long ago), I’ve seen Black officers drop a PoC at the drop of a hat.[/QUOTE]

Are the officers with less familiarity more likely to use deadly force against POC's or is it the officers who have more familiarity with POC's who are more likely to use deadly force?

If it is the officers who are less familiar who are more likely to use deadly force with POC's, then I wonder if it is because the less familiar officers are more likely to mistake posturing for a sincere deadly threat from POC's, where the officers who have more experience with POC's recognize posturing for what it is.

 

[KLB]

If a guy "surrenders", but then continues to advance towards you, it's not a "surrender".

He wasn't surrendering. I saw it as more of a "hold on" distraction.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Are the officers with less familiarity more likely to use deadly force against POC's or is it the officers who have more familiarity with POC's who are more likely to use deadly force?

If it is the officers who are less familiar who are more likely to use deadly force with POC's, then I wonder if it is because the less familiar officers are more likely to mistake posturing for a sincere deadly threat from POC's, where the officers who have more experience with POC's recognize posturing for what it is.

Let’s be clear, I’m not talking about deadly force, because my experience is limited with that. I’m speaking about going “hands on,” and how it MAY also be the same for deadly force. In MY experience, those who very little history of dealing with PoC before becoming LE are move faster in going hands on.
As an example, I worked with white officer, that had lateraled from a pretty nasty place in Illinois, but he also grew up around PoCs. That dude treated everybody the same, it made no difference if you had a Ass whupping coming, it was going to happen. But he never jumped the gun early. Mainly, and we discussed this, he “wasn’t afraid” of Black people. Conversely, I was with another officer and we got a call about a “black guy trying to break into a house. We arriv, and the dude is knocking on the front door. The other officer tackled him, and crack his skull against the stoop. I was like WTF? The officer was a good officer, I respect him to this day, but this guy was from a small Indiana town his first real interactions with PoC was after he became LE.
Another thing I saw repeatedly, was how some officers are so quick to cuff, and legally they could, black kids and stick them in the back of the car for a possession charge, but white child’s would be sat on the curb, uncuffed. Things like that I took note of, because the same officers would differ in how they treated individuals. Did I think they were racist? No. I thought, “he more comfortable handling the white kids in polos and khakis, than the black kids in LeBron Jersey and sagging pants.” I understood their thinking, but it still picked at me a bit.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Let’s be clear, I’m not talking about deadly force, because my experience is limited with that. I’m speaking about going “hands on,” and how it MAY also be the same for deadly force. In MY experience, those who very little history of dealing with PoC before becoming LE are move faster in going hands on.
As an example, I worked with white officer, that had lateraled from a pretty nasty place in Illinois, but he also grew up around PoCs. That dude treated everybody the same, it made no difference if you had a Ass whupping coming, it was going to happen. But he never jumped the gun early. Mainly, and we discussed this, he “wasn’t afraid” of Black people. Conversely, I was with another officer and we got a call about a “black guy trying to break into a house. We arriv, and the dude is knocking on the front door. The other officer tackled him, and crack his skull against the stoop. I was like WTF? The officer was a good officer, I respect him to this day, but this guy was from a small Indiana town his first real interactions with PoC was after he became LE.
Another thing I saw repeatedly, was how some officers are so quick to cuff, and legally they could, black kids and stick them in the back of the car for a possession charge, but white child’s would be sat on the curb, uncuffed. Things like that I took note of, because the same officers would differ in how they treated individuals. Did I think they were racist? No. I thought, “he more comfortable handling the white kids in polos and khakis, than the black kids in LeBron Jersey and sagging pants.” I understood their thinking, but it still picked at me a bit.

Thanks for sharing that insight.

I figure the more familiar a person is with a culture, the more able he is to tell the difference between a guy who is more likely to cause trouble and a guy who is less likely.

I will chew on what you are saying. I don't have any experience with being LE, or much interacting with PoCs. Thanks again for the insight.

 

[Tombs]

Let’s be clear, I’m not talking about deadly force, because my experience is limited with that. I’m speaking about going “hands on,” and how it MAY also be the same for deadly force. In MY experience, those who very little history of dealing with PoC before becoming LE are move faster in going hands on.
As an example, I worked with white officer, that had lateraled from a pretty nasty place in Illinois, but he also grew up around PoCs. That dude treated everybody the same, it made no difference if you had a Ass whupping coming, it was going to happen. But he never jumped the gun early. Mainly, and we discussed this, he “wasn’t afraid” of Black people. Conversely, I was with another officer and we got a call about a “black guy trying to break into a house. We arriv, and the dude is knocking on the front door. The other officer tackled him, and crack his skull against the stoop. I was like WTF? The officer was a good officer, I respect him to this day, but this guy was from a small Indiana town his first real interactions with PoC was after he became LE.
Another thing I saw repeatedly, was how some officers are so quick to cuff, and legally they could, black kids and stick them in the back of the car for a possession charge, but white child’s would be sat on the curb, uncuffed. Things like that I took note of, because the same officers would differ in how they treated individuals. Did I think they were racist? No. I thought, “he more comfortable handling the white kids in polos and khakis, than the black kids in LeBron Jersey and sagging pants.” I understood their thinking, but it still picked at me a bit.

I think you can chalk this up to being unfamiliar with the culture, and lacking the confidence to read people as well as you normally could.

I bet you'd see a similar thing happen if you took an inner city cop and sent them out into deep rural areas dealing with drunk rednecks.

Of course I'm speaking for myself, but I imagine it's probably a similar thing to most people. The less confidence you have in your ability to read the person, the more likely you are to be distrustful of them.