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  • CarmelHP

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    Rep. Baron Hill is caught in crossfire on health care

    Indiana Democrat is besieged by both sides in reform debate

    By Peter Slevin / Washington Post
    Posted: August 10, 2009

    BLOOMINGTON, Ind. -- "The war's on," says Rep. Baron Hill, D-Ind., and he's not talking about a conflict overseas. The battle over health care is in his own backyard, where thousands of people are trying to tell him what to do, some not so nicely.


    Hill is a leader of the Blue Dogs, a caucus of 51 conservative Democrats whose hard-bargaining support is critical to President Barack Obama's bid to overhaul the health-care system. He came home on recess to find himself a target of groups that want to steer the August conversation and the autumn vote.


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    These weeks are considered crucial, with Obama traveling the country and interest groups, as varied as AARP and the insurance industry, spending millions on advertising. Hill, a blunt and pragmatic politician known for moving cautiously, helped postpone a final House vote to give lawmakers time to assess attitudes at home.

    Happy to oblige, the Republican National Committee is running a radio ad saying he "folded like a lawn chair" under White House pressure. Conservative opponents are accusing him of ducking honest debate. Obama supporters by the dozen are using tactics more typical of a political campaign to keep him on board.

    So many people are calling and writing Hill that the telephone lines in his Bloomington office are often jammed. The phone traffic to his Capitol Hill office is so heavy that one staffer sends an e-mail when he needs to reach colleagues there. On Wednesday, Hill's office mailed 8,400 responses to voters.

    One thing Hill is not doing is holding public town-hall meetings like those at which opponents have heckled members of Congress. He held at least six unannounced meetings with constituents last week and is mulling a daylong series of one-on-one meetings or a telephone conference call.

    "I'm trying to control the event,"
    Hill said, shortly before an informal discussion with a dozen business people at the Greater Bloomington Chamber of Commerce. "What I don't want to do is create an opportunity for the people who are political terrorists to blow up the meeting and not try to answer thoughtful questions."

    That decision irritates some of Hill's constituents, who have been calling his office to demand time. They are furious that he voted July 31 in the House Energy and Commerce Committee for a hefty bill that would include a government-run insurance option."He needs to answer the people. He voted yes. Why? Tell us why, Baron. I'm not going to hang you in effigy," said Salem pediatrician Christy Lane, who failed several times to reach Hill's Washington staff; she called the nearby Jeffersonville office instead.

    After a contentious first week of the House recess, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., on Sunday defended the opponents of reform who have disrupted Democrats' town hall meetings. Speaking on Fox News, he said Democratic criticism of the disruptions "may indicate some weakness in their position on the merits."

    Taking another view, Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., said the angry shouting that had dominated some public meetings "isn't the democratic process" and "isn't right." He told CNN, "You know, we need to respect free speech, but we need to respect one another's right to free speech, too."

    The battle of Baron Hill is developing as Obama and national groups are mustering foot soldiers and advertising dollars. Advocates have bought $500,000 of television time in the Evansville and Louisville, Ky., markets, with more than half coming from the drug industry and its allies, said Evan Tracey of the Campaign Media Analysis Group.

    Allison Luthe, the Indiana coordinator for Health Care for America Now, which supports the Obama plan, said pro-reform labor unions have assigned 22 organizers to the state, including two who are hiring canvassers. In an e-mail to supporters last week, Obama said "this is the moment our movement was built for."

    Hill predicts "enormous changes" in the House bill before any measure becomes law, but he said he is committed to the outlines of Obama's proposal, including a public option. He knows he will hear from critics in a politically divided district where he has won five times and lost once.

    Erin Houchin, the GOP chairwoman in Hill's district, sends an e-mail at least every second day to about 150 people. In the two days before Hill's vote, she figures she generated more than 50 calls to his office and is now pushing him to hold a public forum.Lane, the pediatrician, did not vote for Hill last time, but she said health care is not a partisan issue. Certain the public option would overwhelm the government and leave patients worse off, she persuaded fellow doctors to call or write Hill. She also said, "I Facebook a lot."

    "I'll post, 'Call your congressman, call your senator. They're the ones who are going to draft this bill,' " said Lane, who contends Hill violated a pledge when he supported the Energy and Commerce Committee bill, which passed on a 31-28 vote.

    "They say I was against the Obama plan but voted for it? Yeah, after changes were made, I did, of course," Hill said in an interview. "What they're not telling you is that I was at the table, changing the bill to make it better, more moderate, more acceptable."

    At a meeting he convened at the Greater Bloomington Chamber of Commerce, Hill defended his vote while asserting that the health-care overhaul "is still a work in progress."

    "I told the president this, personally: 'You're moving too fast on this. You've got to give people a chance to catch up,' " Hill said.
     

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    You can see their tactics here. How we are somehow "stifling" the free speech of others by exercising ours. Durbin, Hill, Pelosi, all of them. For some reason, what we have to say is not a valid point of consideration. They start out with "hey, we deserve the right to voice our opinions too" but they don't. Simple and clear, they have expressed their intention to vote for the bill because its party line, we know where they stand. They refuse to hear where we stand.

    It's that sick idea that somehow their right to speak outweighs ours. "just let us pass it into law and we'll see how it works...its only fair" BULL HONKEY!
     

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    If there's anybody down in the 9th district that still has a lick of sense, please remember what Baron thinks of you when the election rolls around. He's always been a slimey, coy, thumb in the air political opportunist party hack.
     

    mrjarrell

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    Maybe if everyone quit yelling and screaming at these meetings and talked in a more rational, (and less emotional) manner, these politicians might have a better view of those trying to make a point? While I know everyone's frustrated the yelling has to stop, if the point is to be made. So far everyone looks like they're about to explode into violence. If I were in the politicians shoes I might well feel put upon, too. Rational discourse is our friend. Emotional outbursts are not.
     

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    Maybe if people like Baron Hill weren't liars and cowards then they wouldn't get yelled at. The taxpayers are the victims and have purchased the right to scream at Congressmen like Hill who hasn't held a real job his entire life.
     

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    I find myself concerned with how easily we toss around such strong terminology as "terrorist". This single term has become a focal point of legislation over the past 8 years. Now, without the use of a drop of force, we are calling our opponents "terrorists". Reflect on the fact that a US policy maker, a congressman, who has power over your freedom, your wallet, your life, just called his opponents terrorists. Don't think for a minute the letter after you name makes a difference either.

    I also feel the same about invoking Nazi symbolism in reference to the current or past administration. This demonizing; associating your opponent with pure evil; invoking the atrocities of Nazi Germany or the events of 9/11 with political adversaries is a dangerous path.
     

    dburkhead

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    Maybe if everyone quit yelling and screaming at these meetings and talked in a more rational, (and less emotional) manner, these politicians might have a better view of those trying to make a point? While I know everyone's frustrated the yelling has to stop, if the point is to be made. So far everyone looks like they're about to explode into violence. If I were in the politicians shoes I might well feel put upon, too. Rational discourse is our friend. Emotional outbursts are not.

    We've been trying that approach for more than 40 years while it's been the liberals doing the screaming and shouting down anyone who disagrees with them, it's how we got to this point in the first place.

    We've been playin Marquis de Queensbury rules. They've been playing "knife fight in an alley."
     

    jblomenberg16

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    Guys, I'll pick my words carefully here. I voted for Baron several times, and I consider myself a Republican. And as an American, I think that my job is to vote for who I think will best represent me. I know Baron personally, through a variety of ways here in Seymour, though am not a very close acquaintence. I also know much of Baron's family and friends.

    I will not defend his comments one way or another, but I think taken at face value, his decisions are more in line with our interests than some of his fellow Congressmen. Any elected official is going to have supporters and non-supporters, and this thread will quickly turn into a "Baron sucks, vote him out, etc."

    So I ask a simple question, whether you agree with his vote or not. Did he do the right thing by encouraging more time to be spent on this bill, or should he have just blindly passed it on through like so many others?
     

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    It is good to finally see the snails squirm as they are pressed between the people that they should be working for and those that line their pockets.

    Turn up the heat and smoke those pole cats out!

    May they finally understand the gravity of the positions that they parceled their conscience and countrymen away for.


    I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel: "As ye deal with my contemners, so with you my grace shall deal; Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel, Since God is marching on."
     

    ejscott

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    two thing, as for mrjarrell i mean no disrespect but this coming for a guy who's pic is a little guy with a anarchy sign on he's shirt. and as for jblomenberg16, no he has not done the right thing. he has taken a oath to protect the constitution, and when you can show me in the constitution the part about health care maybe i would agree. i am not attacking either of you guys just stating some points.
     

    MeltonLaw

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    This is simple politics. When people challenge the concepts that one side is pushing they are then demonized. The point behind such name calling is to either scare people into reconsidering such protests or to discredit them so badly that other people are uncomfortable in supporting them. Both of the major parties are guilty of it, although the current congresscritters seem to be attempting it in a much more vile manner.
    Personally, I feel that when Ms. Pelosi or Mr. Hill start to cast dispersions upon their constituents for vehemently asserting their positions they are no longer in touch with the national "pulse" as far as this reform is concerned. Instead they are pressing an agenda forward with hopes of buying or securing votes for their party in upcoming elections. To state that opposing a huge cultural changing reform bill in a civil manner, and yes speaking loudly is civil compared to non-speaking alternatives, is a destruction or diminishment of the democratic system is simply ridiculous given that there are examples of other groups, which at least Ms. Pelosi supports, doing very similar things and she supported them. When the only chance that a very irate constituent has to voice his opinion is in a townhall meeting it is understandable when they become loud when it is obvious that the congresscritter is attempting to sidestep the question. For an example of this please see the recent townhall meeting with Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa). Honestly how can they believe that they are doing the right thing when all polls have shown that Congress, Executive, and the aforementioned Reform Bill have very low approval ratings.
     
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    The problem here isn't the raised voices and tempers, it's the fact that our elected officials have forgotten THEY WORK FOR US and WE DON"T WANT WHAT THEY ARE SELLING.

    It's as simple as that. If Baron Hill would simply vote against the legislation, he would be doing his job and he might be able to keep his job during the next election. His constituents are getting upset because he isn't listening to us and he doesn't want to hear what we have to say. He wants to have small, controlled meetings so he can leave them and say that "we are behind him".

    I am in his district and I will do everything I can to unseat him.

    Mike
     

    jblomenberg16

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    two thing, as for mrjarrell i mean no disrespect but this coming for a guy who's pic is a little guy with a anarchy sign on he's shirt. and as for jblomenberg16, no he has not done the right thing. he has taken a oath to protect the constitution, and when you can show me in the constitution the part about health care maybe i would agree. i am not attacking either of you guys just stating some points.

    Thanks for the reply. Perhaps I'm reading the article differently (maybe even incorrectly). The way I read it, he has not yet voted for the bill. Am I incorrect?
     

    jblomenberg16

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    Incorrect. As stated in the article, he voted to report it favorably out of committee.

    Thanks for clarifying.

    I read this line:

    helped postpone a final House vote to give lawmakers time to assess attitudes at home

    to mean that he took steps to prevent it from going to vote prior to the recess, so that lawmakers would have more time to consider it.

    I stand corrected!
     

    BloodEclipse

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    In an e-mail to supporters last week, Obama said "this is the moment our movement was built for."

    Our movement needs to overwhelm his movement.

    As far as Hill goes, hiding from the people who you represent is just cowardly.

    He held at least six unannounced meetings with constituents last week
    These unannounced meetings were no doubt with "Hill friendly" groups. He doesn't want to hear from others.
     

    Pami

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    I read this line ... to mean that he took steps to prevent it from going to vote prior to the recess, so that lawmakers would have more time to consider it.
    That's how I read it, too:

    Hill ... helped postpone a final House vote to give lawmakers time to assess attitudes at home.


    "I told the president this, personally: 'You're moving too fast on this. You've got to give people a chance to catch up,' " Hill said.


    However, we also have to consider this set of statements:
    [Hill's constituents] are furious that he voted July 31 in the House Energy and Commerce Committee for a hefty bill that would include a government-run insurance option.

    Hill predicts "enormous changes" in the House bill before any measure becomes law, but he said he is committed to the outlines of Obama's proposal, including a public option. He knows he will hear from critics in a politically divided district where he has won five times and lost once.

    Lane ... contends Hill violated a pledge when he supported the Energy and Commerce Committee bill, which passed on a 31-28 vote.

    On a completely unrelated note, all I can think of when I read this line is that a hundred years from now, people are going to be wondering "where" Baron Hill was and how many people died there in this battle, rather than "who" he was. :):
    The battle of Baron Hill is developing as Obama and national groups are mustering foot soldiers and advertising dollars.



    Changed the bolded part here. Sucks that he's still for the plan, but at least he's trying to make it more palatable. Granted, "more palatable" to me and most of the people on this forum would be to not have the bill go through at all, but like the enormous bailout last Fall, I suspect We, the People, won't have much of a choice in the end.
    "They say I was against the Obama plan but voted for it? Yeah, after changes were made, I did, of course," Hill said in an interview. "What they're not telling you is that I was at the table, changing the bill to make it better, more moderate, more acceptable."
     
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