ATF Backs Down?

[poppy]

Crap. Now I gotta get out the nail polish remover!

 

[indykid]

Just remember, with AT and unconsitutional F, what is legal now might be legal tonight, and what was legal yesterday might not be legal tomorrow.

 

[farmingirish]

Kudos go out to the NRA, pro freedom senators and congressmen and all that responded to the BATF with comments. Joe Donnelly did not sign the petition, so he talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk. The shame of all this is we had to fight a decision curtailing our rights with a group of non elected overreaching bureaucrats.

 

[throttletony]

I hope this was from excessive commenting/outrage/reaching out to representatives, etc.
certainly not safe forever, but for now I'll consider it a small win (although we still have a lot more to do)

 

[TheDude]

Kudos go out to the NRA, pro freedom senators and congressmen and all that responded to the BATF with comments. Joe Donnelly did not sign the petition, so he talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk. The shame of all this is we had to fight a decision curtailing our rights with a group of non elected overreaching bureaucrats.

Senators joining Grassley on the letter include Mike Rounds (R-S.D.); John Thune (R-S.D.); Cory Gardner (R-Colo.); Tom Cotton (R-Ark.); John Hoeven (R-N.D.); Joni Ernst (R-Iowa); David Vitter (R-La); Michael Crapo (R-Idaho); Jerry Moran (R-Kan.); David Perdue (R-Ga.); James Risch (R-Idaho); John Isakson (R-Ga.); Steve Daines (R-Mont.); Dean Heller (R-Nev.); Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.); Richard Burr (R-N.C.); Roy Blunt (R-Mo.); Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.); Bill Cassidy (R-La.); John Boozman (R-Ark.); Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.); Ted Cruz (R-Texas); Thom Tillis (R-N.C.); Orrin Hatch (R-Utah); Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.); James Lankford (R-Okla.); Richard Shelby (R-Ala.); Deb Fischer (R-Neb.); Thad Cochran (R-Miss.); Shelley Capito (R-W. Va.); Pat Roberts (R-Kan.); Pat Toomey (R-Pa.); Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska); John Cornyn (R-Texas); Ron Johnson (R-Wis.); Michael Lee (R-Utah); John Barrasso (R-Wyo.); Marco Rubio (R- Fla.); Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.); Dan Coats (R-Ind.); Bob Corker (R-Tenn.); Tim Scott (R-S.C.); Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.); Ben Sasse (R-Neb.); Roger Wicker (R-Miss.); Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.); Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.); Rand Paul (R-Ky.); John McCain (R-Ariz.); Rob Portman (R-Ohio); Dan Sullivan (R-Alaska); and Susan Collins (R-Maine).



And for all the NRA haters......your welcome.

 

[Beowulf]

Read the text of the Fox News article. Does anyone think these guys are really pro-2nd Amendment? Here are some quotes:

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is shelving a proposal to ban a popular but highly lethal type of bullet, amid opposition from gun-rights advocates and hundreds of members of Congress.

Gun rights groups have argued that the ammo ban would be a backdoor attempt to ban assault weapons.The weapons would still work without the M855s but they would no longer be capable of firing body-armor piercing ammo.

Typical media jackals. Anything to drive sensationalism

 

[Hogwylde]

Of course it got shelved. Did you ever think it wouldn't? What the heck to you think would happen to all the UNSOLD M855/SS109 that's currently in the pipeline that all the stores would have been stuck with? Wally World, the nations largest retailer, sells that ZQ1 stuff for $9.99/30 rnd box. You don't think that THEY want to be stuck with millions of rounds of that stuff in their warehouses that they can't sell..........let alone the long term supply contracts that they will lose millions on. Plus, do you think that ammo manufacturers are just going to STOP making it and only produce it for the military? Sure, it's no big stretch to switch to M193 and only produce rounds with 55gr FMJ, but ammo companies are running full bore to get ammo supplies up to pre-Sandy Hook levels and stopping the sale and manufacture of 62gr bullets will cost them millions. (and the govt will lose out on millions of sales tax dollars too!)

 

[Trigger Time]

We'll good! See makin those calls and letters worked!!! Remember this the next time freedom grabbing govt agents try to come and trample your rights.

Now lets write rite letters and make calls to get the atf disbanded

 

[Bfish]

Awesome! Now all of those panic buyers will be crying. Hopefully some ammo flippers get stuck, it will just depend on how long till people quit freaking out and continuing to buy.

 

[Ericpwp]

Of course it got shelved. Did you ever think it wouldn't? What the heck to you think would happen to all the UNSOLD M855/SS109 that's currently in the pipeline that all the stores would have been stuck with? Wally World, the nations largest retailer, sells that ZQ1 stuff for $9.99/30 rnd box. You don't think that THEY want to be stuck with millions of rounds of that stuff in their warehouses that they can't sell..........let alone the long term supply contracts that they will lose millions on. Plus, do you think that ammo manufacturers are just going to STOP making it and only produce it for the military? Sure, it's no big stretch to switch to M193 and only produce rounds with 55gr FMJ, but ammo companies are running full bore to get ammo supplies up to pre-Sandy Hook levels and stopping the sale and manufacture of 62gr bullets will cost them millions. (and the govt will lose out on millions of sales tax dollars too!)

I thought the military was not using it anymore, switching to the "green" A1 version.

The AFT comment period was aimed at enacting the ban with the least impact on retail stores.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I thought the military was not using it anymore, switching to the "green" A1 version.

The AFT comment period was aimed at enacting the ban with the least impact on retail stores.

Meaning to give the panickers time to empty the shelves and drive up prices?

 

[TheDude]

Of course it got shelved. Did you ever think it wouldn't? What the heck to you think would happen to all the UNSOLD M855/SS109 that's currently in the pipeline that all the stores would have been stuck with? Wally World, the nations largest retailer, sells that ZQ1 stuff for $9.99/30 rnd box. You don't think that THEY want to be stuck with millions of rounds of that stuff in their warehouses that they can't sell..........let alone the long term supply contracts that they will lose millions on. Plus, do you think that ammo manufacturers are just going to STOP making it and only produce it for the military? Sure, it's no big stretch to switch to M193 and only produce rounds with 55gr FMJ, but ammo companies are running full bore to get ammo supplies up to pre-Sandy Hook levels and stopping the sale and manufacture of 62gr bullets will cost them millions. (and the govt will lose out on millions of sales tax dollars too!)

Well that and elections next year.

 

[pudly]

Senators joining Grassley on the letter include Mike Rounds (R-S.D.); John Thune (R-S.D.); Cory Gardner (R-Colo.); Tom Cotton (R-Ark.); John Hoeven (R-N.D.); Joni Ernst (R-Iowa); David Vitter (R-La); Michael Crapo (R-Idaho); Jerry Moran (R-Kan.); David Perdue (R-Ga.); James Risch (R-Idaho); John Isakson (R-Ga.); Steve Daines (R-Mont.); Dean Heller (R-Nev.); Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.); Richard Burr (R-N.C.); Roy Blunt (R-Mo.); Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.); Bill Cassidy (R-La.); John Boozman (R-Ark.); Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.); Ted Cruz (R-Texas); Thom Tillis (R-N.C.); Orrin Hatch (R-Utah); Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.); James Lankford (R-Okla.); Richard Shelby (R-Ala.); Deb Fischer (R-Neb.); Thad Cochran (R-Miss.); Shelley Capito (R-W. Va.); Pat Roberts (R-Kan.); Pat Toomey (R-Pa.); Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska); John Cornyn (R-Texas); Ron Johnson (R-Wis.); Michael Lee (R-Utah); John Barrasso (R-Wyo.); Marco Rubio (R- Fla.); Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.); Dan Coats (R-Ind.); Bob Corker (R-Tenn.); Tim Scott (R-S.C.); Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.); Ben Sasse (R-Neb.); Roger Wicker (R-Miss.); Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.); Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.); Rand Paul (R-Ky.); John McCain (R-Ariz.); Rob Portman (R-Ohio); Dan Sullivan (R-Alaska); and Susan Collins (R-Maine).

Please send thanks to Sen. Coats and any others for their assistance in getting this ban blocked.

 

[Vigilant]

All I read/heard, was "will wait for the hue and cry to die down, then, do it anyway"

 

[tallend]

As soon as you put your money back in your wallet----and unload your firearm,and put it back in the safe-----------read--"action on the ban has been halted for "more study" "then get you wallet and firearm back out--------the Muslim in Washington will not stop the ban-----just bring it back through a "different door"----------------When I read that the ban was stopped---I sent another 20.00 to the NRA ILA-----each time anything like this happens--we need to add another million members to the NRA--------show HIM/them,who the real power is...
The cost for firearms protection(NRA membership) is less than an evening out to dinner and movies.
Want to p zz me off--tell me you dont join because you hate getting requests for money------turn your card over,there are several phone numbers--all you have to do is call and request that the mailings be stopped---no problem-----------------We need to show strength(through membership)

tallend

 

[venenoindy]

They will take an other swing just matter of time.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

If I had an inside man at the ATF I could make a fortune if they'd repeat the "we'll ban it, no we won't" cycle a few times. Do insider training laws apply to ammunition and magazines?

 

[Rock River]

Shelves will finally be stocked back up.[/QUOTE]

Any bets on how long! And how much it will be overpriced for quite awhile.

 

[cobber]

Shelves will finally be stocked back up.

Any bets on how long! And how much it will be overpriced for quite awhile.

The panic will continue for a few months at least, as some figure they'd better stock up precisely because the ATF, like rust, never sleeps.

 

[AmmoManAaron]

Read the text of the Fox News article. Does anyone think these guys are really pro-2nd Amendment? Here are some quotes:

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is shelving a proposal to ban a popular but highly lethal type of bullet, amid opposition from gun-rights advocates and hundreds of members of Congress.

Gun rights groups have argued that the ammo ban would be a backdoor attempt to ban assault weapons.The weapons would still work without the M855s but they would no longer be capable of firing body-armor piercing ammo.

Typical media jackals. Anything to drive sensationalism

Yeah, when I read that article I wanted to puke...hopefully all over the writer responsible for that drivel.