Arizona's Clown High Sheriff Gets The Taxpayers Another Multi-Million $ Bill

[mrjarrell]

Anything else you want to condemn us for, your highness?

Ahhh...her majesty is out in force tonight, I see. Another supporter of the clown prince of law enforcement, no doubt. Incapable, as usual of sticking to the subject.

 

[HeadlessRoland]

There isn't any conflating happening. Open borders are derived from free market economics.
The confusion is over what exactly is a libertarian. Historically, libertarians have been opposed to borders.
Today, many who are embarrassed to describe themselves as republican or democrat default to describing themselves as libertarian even though their political beliefs are not historically in alignment with libertarianism.

http://mises.org/journals/jls/13_2/13_2_4.pdf

Considering I own all four volumes of Human Action in hardback - as well as most of von Mises' collected works, also all in well-read hardback - you're preaching to the choir in quoting von Mises to me.

Appealing to a higher authority - even someone who is so deeply respected a thinker as von Mises - neither supports nor detracts from one's argument. Indeed, if I ever were to find flaw with the man's epistemology, it would be on the public's subsequent conflation of a free market with a global market. To assume, a priori, that a free, cross-border market REQUIRES a lack of national borders is fallacy. If sufficient means of production exist within nation-states, there is no barrier to the free flow of goods between nation-states with borders, but only upon services. The fact that America has well-defined borders does not inhibit my ability whatsoever - in itself - to order widgets from Taiwan. Or Israel. Or Germany. And of those services, those non-"open" borders might make it difficult for me to hire German individuals for my engineering firm (for example) were it not for the fact that structured immigration does exist and permits said individuals to work here, with ease.

Upon meeting albeit arbitrary requirements for immigrants, work visas are issued and said personnel may reside and work here, and there is still no tangible burden on the flow of trans-national services between nation-states, either. So, goods can flow, and through structured immigration/emigration, even services can flow trans-nationally. Since you seem to be a proponent of a borderless/"open borders" world, how do you propose to construct/de-struct such a system? How would such a world function? Please, do enlighten me on the normative and empirical aspects of a borderless/"open borders" world that these 'libertarians' are championing. While you're at it, you could perhaps make the distinction between libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism, since you're flying the anarcho-capitalist flag. You're as much of an anarchist as a libertarian, if you truly are a non-Statist. If so, then of course one would be "open borders," as borders are of themselves the hallmark of a state.

Open borders are not derived from economics, but sociology, and normative sociology at that. Conflation. A free market may be global, but it is not necessarily global, and to the extent that said market is global/trans-national, it is precisely the fact that structured immigration/emigration exists within all nation-states that provides for unimpeded flow and exchange of goods and services. A nation-state may adopt public policies that defy unimpeded flow of goods or services, but having structured immigration/emigration is not of itself an impetus to a free, trans-national market. Conflation.

And for your own edification, the man himself, as per Human Action: "The democracy of the market consists in the fact that people themselves make their choices and that no dictator has the power to force them to submit to his value judgments." - Ludwig von Mises

 

[Kutnupe14]

Amazing how many people are OK with a dolt who cost the citizens of his county $17 million (with more likely to come). No wonder we're so ****ed as a country.

C'mon bro, who can't get behind the oppression of the "right" kinds of people?

 

[EricG]

One persons hero is another ones goat. Same is true for people who stand up for what they believe in. I guess some don't really realize what is entailed in standing up to the federal government.

+1

I love the guy. The 4 years I lived there was a breath of fresh air compared to what I was used to. (Lake and Cook county)
The feds cant stick anything to him, so they punish the people who continue to vote him in.
The guy, from what Ive seen, truly cares.

 

[EOD Guy]

I haven't kept track of things Sheriff Joe does these days but when I lived in Phoenix he was a great sheriff. He organized volunteers to patrol malls during the holidays to reduce crime, made prisoners clean up trash around town, those in the can for short sentences lived in tents (no A/C in summer), fed prisoners for about a dollar a day and took away luxury items...porn mags, coffee, limited tv to news/education, etc...

I think he just pissed off too many people by calling them out for not doing the right thing or by pissing of the crazy liberal media in Phoenix. Now Eric Holder throws federal judges at him for trying to deport illegals.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

 

[88GT]

Ahhh...her majesty is out in force tonight, I see. Another supporter of the clown prince of law enforcement, no doubt. Incapable, as usual of sticking to the subject.

The royalty meme put-down has already been used, thank you. In addition to inconsiderate, it would seem you're also not very creative. I can relate. Creativity doesn't come naturally to me either.

I'm not a supporter of Sheriff Joe. He's not in my district.

As for sticking to the subject... I think I've been on topic. Your posts are always about your contempt for those you think are beneath you.

 

[jamil]

That's about right. Let's see...in the last election half of the voters stayed home. Of the remainder more than half voted for Obama and the remainder of the majority voted for the father of Obamacare. A small minority voted for a good candidate. I'd say the majority of voters in this country are worthy of scorn.

That's what I thought. Yer boy got 0.99% of the vote. I assumed correctly that you'd think that the 99.01% who don't think exactly like you is worthy of scorn.

 

[churchmouse]

He is the man down there. His local people love him. Let him alone. If they get tired of him he will be voted out.

 

[mrjarrell]

That's what I thought. Yer boy got 0.99% of the vote. I assumed correctly that you'd think that the 99.01% who don't think exactly like you is worthy of scorn.

Has nothing to do with people who "think like me". Has to do with voters not exercising their franchise in a rational manner. Guess you're satisfied with the status quo, tho.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

He is the man down there. His local people love him. Let him alone. If they get tired of him he will be voted out.

Oh, stop it! Can't you see that mrjarrell knows what's best? How foolish we all are for not electing HIM to guide us through these parlous times. Alas! Alack! and Alaska!

 

[JTScribe]

I haven't kept track of things Sheriff Joe does these days but when I lived in Phoenix he was a great sheriff. He organized volunteers to patrol malls during the holidays to reduce crime, made prisoners clean up trash around town, those in the can for short sentences lived in tents (no A/C in summer), fed prisoners for about a dollar a day and took away luxury items...porn mags, coffee, limited tv to news/education, etc...

I think he just pissed off too many people by calling them out for not doing the right thing or by pissing of the crazy liberal media in Phoenix. Now Eric Holder throws federal judges at him for trying to deport illegals.

You nailed it. In my life I have split time between AZ and IN, and have spent about 10 years in AZ.

 

[churchmouse]

Seems like when someone does stand up and do the right thing they get picked apart by those who just do not get it. Get it.......

 

[Mgderf]

Has nothing to do with people who "think like me". Has to do with voters not exercising their franchise in a rational manner. Guess you're satisfied with the status quo, tho.

Rational to whom?
Do you live in his district?
Do you know for a fact that a majority of eligible voters in his district "failed to exercise their franchise in a rational manner?"

This obviously has EVERYTHING to do with those idiots in Arizona not seeing things correctly, like you do.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Seems like when someone does stand up and do the right thing they get picked apart by those who just do not get it. Get it.......

I don't think he does the "right" thing. I think he uses his position to benefit himself and to maintain power. Failure to follow up or even investigate sex crimes, cushy accomodations for "friends," misue of $100 million of public funds, a fake assassination plot... geez, this guy is a pariah. Luckily, for the people that Joe like to target, he's old and they wont be subjected to his tyranny much longer.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Rational to whom?
Do you live in his district?
Do you know for a fact that a majority of eligible voters in his district "failed to exercise their franchise in a rational manner?"

This obviously has EVERYTHING to do with those idiots in Arizona not seeing things correctly, like you do.

You got a point, many of the people in Reich Germany thought it was completely rationaly to support that Austrian guy.

 

[Expat]

What kind of fools allow themselves to be distracted by something like this, when so many things are happening that actually affect us (ACA, deficit, NDAA, dronings, etc). You guys are babbling about some county sheriff on the other side of the country.

 

[Kutnupe14]

What kind of fools allow themselves to be distracted by something like this, when so many things are happening that actually affect us (ACA, deficit, NDAA, dronings, etc). You guys are babbling about some county sheriff on the other side of the country.

Certainly truth to that... but at least it's better than Duck Dynasty.

 

[ViperJock]

Well, I guess the bright side is, the taxpayers will now have less money to contribute to McCains reelection lol

 

[Expat]

Certainly truth to that... but at least it's better than Duck Dynasty.

Because you and Mr. Jarrell and the rest of the cabal says so? Mmmkay.