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    Driver: My Prius took me for a ride

    March 8, 2010 11:06 p.m. EST

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    A Toyota Prius owner said the accelerator on his car become stuck Monday, taking him on a high-speed ride.




    STORY HIGHLIGHTS
    • "I pushed the gas pedal ... and it just stuck there," said Jim Sikes
    • Sikes had to get help from the California Highway Patrol to stop his car
    • A Toyota spokesman said the automaker had been notified of the incident

    (CNN) -- The driver of a Toyota Prius says he was taken on a wild ride Monday after the car's accelerator became stuck, reaching speeds in excess of 90 mph on a winding, hilly portion of a southern California interstate.
    It took the California Highway Patrol to bring the car safely to a stop.
    The driver, Jim Sikes, said he was traveling east on Interstate 8 outside of the San Diego area when he attempted to pass a slower vehicle.
    "I pushed the gas pedal to pass a car, and it just did something kind of funny ... and it just stuck there," he said at a news conference outside a Highway Patrol office. "As I was going, I was trying the brakes ... and it just kept speeding up."
    Sikes said he called 911 for help, and dispatchers talked him through instructions on how he might be able to stop the car. But nothing worked.
    At one point, Sikes said he reached down to try to pull the accelerator up, but it "stayed right where it was."
    Alerted by emergency dispatchers, a California Highway Patrol officer was able to catch up to Sikes' Prius and used the patrol car's public address system to instruct Sikes to apply the brakes and the emergency brake at the same time.
    The tactic worked, and the car slowed to about 50 mph. Sikes said he was able to shut off the car, and it rolled to a stop. The responding officer, Todd Neibert, positioned his patrol car in front of the Prius as a precaution to prevent it from moving again.
    Toyota recently issued widespread recalls due to problems related to the accelerator pedal in several of its auto models. One theory behind the sticky accelerators is the vehicles' floor mats.
    But Sikes said "my mat was perfect. There was nothing wrong with my mat."
    Sikes said he took his 2008 Prius into a local Toyota dealership about two weeks ago for service and gave workers there his recall notice. He said he was told his car wasn't on the recall list.
    "I'll be back there tomorrow," he said Monday, visibly shaken up.
    CHP spokesman Brian Pennings said the ordeal lasted just over 20 minutes.
    "We are extremely thankful that there was a safe end to this," Pennings said.
    A Toyota spokesman issued a statement Monday night saying the automaker had been notified of the incident.
    "Toyota has dispatched a field technical specialist to San Diego to investigate the report and offer assistance," the statement said.

    Looks like another :dumbass: Toyota owner who doesn't know how to drive his car.
    Doesn't he understand there is nothing wrong with his car. The MYTH has been busted.
    His car wasn't even one of the ones recalled. What kind of a scam is he trying to pull?

    You think maybe a few more people are going to die before this gets resolved? :dunno:
     

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    Toyota’s Murky Data

    By Matthew Philips | Newsweek Web Exclusive
    Feb 12, 2010


    Whenever an airplane crashes, investigators focus on the black-box data, which may explain why the plane went down. Though most drivers don't realize it, two thirds of new U.S. automobiles have black boxes, too. They're called "event data recorders." These devices tell the airbags when to deploy, but they also record the car's speed, whether the brake or gas pedal was engaged, and if seat belts were fastened. They've become such a vital tool to car-crash investigators that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has issued new requirements, which take effect in 2012, standardizing exactly what data the devices measure.
    In theory these black boxes could help explain what's causing the sudden acceleration problems that led Toyota to recall millions of vehicles. There's just one catch: Toyota keeps its data secret. Ford, GM, and Chrysler's black boxes use an open platform that allows law-enforcement officials to download data. But only Toyota is able to download the proprietary data off its devices. In fact, there's just one laptop in the entire country capable of reading a Toyota data recorder, and Toyota will download one only under court order, or at the request of law enforcement or the NHTSA.
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    Though Honda and Nissan also use proprietary data recorders, Toyota's closely guarded system is raising concerns among safety experts. "Every time Toyota downloads these things, they say there's no indication of a problem," says Sean Kane, founder of Safety Research & Strategies, Inc., a consumer safety group. "It's the most opaque system I've ever seen." It's also causing frustration among accident investigators. "Even when they do perform a download, it's usually not that useful," says April Yergin, a Houston-based accident-reconstruction expert. Last month Yergin watched a Toyota rep download data in Southlake, Texas, after a 2009 Avalon hit a tree and landed upside down in a pond, killing all four passengers. A Toyota rep showed up with the special laptop, but it yielded only the car's speed when it struck the tree: 44mph.
    Even though Toyota models have had data recorders since 1999, the company downplays the usefulness of the data, saying the devices were intended to aid research on safety systems like airbags. "It was not designed as a tool for accident reconstruction, and we do not believe it yields consistent or reliable data," says Toyota spokesman Mike Michels. Toyota says it's supplied data in about 200 accident cases, and just once did the case turn on the numbers.
    Regardless, with lawyers across the country preparing lawsuits against Toyota, there's likely to be a clamor for more data. Michigan Rep. John Dingell is interested in the issue, too: his office supplied NEWSWEEK with a Feb. 3 letter he wrote to Toyota's CEO asking if its black-box data could be easily read by people other than Toyota employees—and if not, why? Yergin says, "They're going to be sorry they've made the system so closed." As Toyota's problems move into the courtroom, the company may have to learn to share.
    With Mark Hosenball

    I thought this was a fitting place for this story as well.
     

    jd4320t

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    Because the car won't let them.
    It is designed that way for supposed safety. Owners have posted on here about this.

    From Toyota!

    Toyota Vehicles : Frequently Asked Questions For Sticking Accelerator Pedal Recall and Suspension of Sales / Toyota

    What if you experience a sticking accelerator pedal while driving?
    Each circumstance may vary, and drivers must use their best judgment, but Toyota recommends taking the following actions:
    • If you need to stop immediately, the vehicle can be controlled by stepping on the brake pedal with both feet using firm and steady pressure. Do not pump the brake pedal as it will deplete the vacuum utilized for the power brake assist.
    • Shift the transmission gear selector to the Neutral (N) position and use the brakes to make a controlled stop at the side of the road and turn off the engine.
    • If unable to put the vehicle in Neutral, turn the engine OFF. This will not cause loss of steering or braking control, but the power assist to these systems will be lost.
    o If the vehicle is equipped with an Engine Start/Stop button, firmly and steadily push the button for at least three seconds to turn off the engine. Do NOT tap the Engine Start/Stop button.
    o If the vehicle is equipped with a conventional key-ignition, turn the ignition key to the ACC position to turn off the engine. Do NOT remove the key from the ignition as this will lock the steering wheel.
     

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    You know, if Government Motors would focus on improving their vehicles and quality instead of focusing anger against those who won't buy their crap, maybe you'd be better off.

    Being called everything short of a traitor by some who work for Government Motors for not buying their cars isn't going to make me buy one. It's a sad day when the Big Threes' only hope is the demise of another company.
     

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    Quote from another thread.

    I have a Prius.You can not put it in neutral if it is in motion.And you can not apply the brakes either while it is under "load".For the breaks to really work the electric motors have to revers so the brake pads can contact the rotor correctly.It is a software/design flaw.Ours regularly revs very high when it is cold while driving for no reason usually picking up 5-10 miles an hour before it goes back to a normal idle.We of course have told Toyota this.The SOFTWARE has been upgraded 4 times in the last year(09 prius).There is no way in hell it is operator error in most of these cases.The brake and throttle are both wireless and run by the same computer,as is the electronic shifter.The only system that may not be totally electronic is the emergency brake,and i am unsure on that one.Talk to any Toyota tech,they have know there was a problem for a good two years.:twocents:
    It is an electronics/programming/design flaw.Not a damn thing to do with floor mats or sticky gas pedals(or big feet).
     

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    You know, if Government Motors would focus on improving their vehicles and quality instead of focusing anger against those who won't buy their crap, maybe you'd be better off.

    Being called everything short of a traitor by some who work for Government Motors for not buying their cars isn't going to make me buy one. It's a sad day when the Big Threes' only hope is the demise of another company.

    Where in this thread is GM mentioned?
    If you like Toyota over GM you will buy one anyway. This isn't a GM vs Toyota thread.
    Sorry if you take this personal.... but it ain't about you.
     

    hornadylnl

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    Where in this thread is GM mentioned?
    If you like Toyota over GM you will buy one anyway. This isn't a GM vs Toyota thread.
    Sorry if you take this personal.... but it ain't about you.

    You rail against Toyota because you have a vested interest in Government Motors. IE, your pension. This isn't about you either but you sure have an agenda that you are pushing.
     

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    You rail against Toyota because you have a vested interest in Government Motors. IE, your pension. This isn't about you either but you sure have an agenda that you are pushing.

    So its better to pretend nothing is wrong, bury our heads in the sand and hope no one dies.

    Much better to stay uninformed and just go about our normal routines.

    Isn't that what sheep do?
     

    hornadylnl

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    So its better to pretend nothing is wrong, bury our heads in the sand and hope no one dies.

    Much better to stay uninformed and just go about our normal routines.

    Isn't that what sheep do?

    If you'd be honest about your agenda, it would help. You're hardly impartial here and you would gain from the demise of Toyota. I don't own a Toyota, never have and maybe never will. Most of us who aren't recipients of bailout money know that the current attacks on Toyota are nothing more than Chicago political mafia tactics to benefit Government Motors.

    Name a single car company that hasn't built a defective car that resulted in death.
     

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    If you'd be honest about your agenda, it would help. You're hardly impartial here and you would gain from the demise of Toyota. I don't own a Toyota, never have and maybe never will. Most of us who aren't recipients of bailout money know that the current attacks on Toyota are nothing more than Chicago political mafia tactics to benefit Government Motors.

    Name a single car company that hasn't built a defective car that resulted in death.

    Remember the exploding gas tanks on the Chevy trucks?

    Remember how that was rigged with explosives by the media because short of their use they could not get a truck to explode.

    This is the first time I can recall the media ever going after Toyota the way it has the Big Three. We never got a pass in the past. Toyota is just now getting a taste of what we have had served to us for decades. I don't feel sorry for them in the least bit.

    They seem shady to me. Hiding trouble complaints, secretive black box data and cheering about deflecting earlier recalls.

    I don't think GM gains much by these problems as I have said repeatedly. I think Hyundai and Ford will see the biggest gains.

    If you search back when all of this was going down and find what I was saying you might be surprised. You might rethink my agenda, that you seem to think I have. I was never for accepting the first Government dollar. You keep saying Bailout but it is in fact loans.
    Loans that are being paid back with INTEREST. Once GM is allowed to go Public once again, we will shed the strings of our Government masters.
     

    hornadylnl

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    Loans? When will the original shareholders get their money back that was stripped from them and given to the union? Can you honestly tell me that GM would have gotten these "loans" had it not been for the UAW and the money they've pumped into the democrat party for decades? What non union companies are getting bailed out?

    GM and Chrysler made their beds and they should be forced to lie in them. Instead, they made **** poor decisions and they get rewarded for it. My agenda in this is freedom and free markets. Taking my tax dollars to reward a failing company infringes my freedoms and makes a mockery of the free market. You screw up, you fail. Plain and Simple. These "loans" are nothing more than pure socialism and redistribution of wealth.

    I'm not cynical when it comes to businesses who provide products. What use is a dead Toyota driver to Toyota? Do you think they don't care at all about their customers? They willingly and knowingly put out cars that are just waiting for the moment to kill their owners?

    So 2 wrongs make a right. Toyota deserves to be shaken down because the media wrongly attacked GM in the past with the exploding gas tanks?

    I have a 2000 Buick Lesabre that the gas pedal was sticking on. Every time I started it up and first hit the pedal, it was stuck and once it broke loose, it was okay. I guess I should have just mashed the pedal every time it did that and if I lost control and hit something, I should have blamed GM. I did a google search and found a fix that took about 5 minutes.

    Toyota beat the tar out of the big 3 for the last several decades by providing a product that people wanted at a price they liked. They gained market share by free market. Now, we have people relishing in thug politics being used to bring them down. I'm not denying there is a problem with their cars now. I don't know one way or the other. But I do have a problem with thugs.
     

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    Loans? When will the original shareholders get their money back that was stripped from them and given to the union? The Union ends up with shares of the company. Don't ask me how that isn't a conflict of interest. Who do I work for now? Does the Union really represent me or do they now have the company's best interest at heart because they now have a monetary interest? I wish we would have went through a traditional bankruptcy but that didn't happen. I was just as upset as anyone was at how shareholders got the shaft. Want to guess who many of those shareholders were? Anytime unsecured debtors get a piece of the pie ahead of secure debtors there is somethings fundamentally wrong. Can you honestly tell me that GM would have gotten these "loans" had it not been for the UAW and the money they've pumped into the democrat party for decades? What non union companies are getting bailed out? The Banks and Financial Intuitions. Please don't confuse the UAW with the workers on the plant floor.

    GM and Chrysler made their beds and they should be forced to lie in them.
    Lets take a trip back in time.
    Before the presidential election GM was in a fairly safe state. Chrysler was in trouble and Ford was fighting for it's existence. GM had lines of credit to last through 2010 when it had expected to turn a profit. Rick Wagoner had made many changes and they were showing results. Ford on the other hand had just mortgaged everything they owned and I mean everything. Then comes September 2008 and Paulson tells the world that if we didn't have a $700 Billion bailout of the banks, that the markets and economy would collapse. Overnight credit disappeared. The lines of credit GM had were gone. Faced with that, GM could not make it through half of 2009. I feel to this day that GM was victimized. That this was a hostile takeover.
    Instead, they made **** poor decisions and they get rewarded for it. My agenda in this is freedom and free markets. Taking my tax dollars to reward a failing company infringes my freedoms and makes a mockery of the free market. You screw up, you fail. Plain and Simple. These "loans" are nothing more than pure socialism and redistribution of wealth.

    Seeing how perception is everything, Ford wins because they didn't suck on the Government teat.
    Hyundai is the new Toyota and I believe they are beating them at their own game.
    You can hate GM all you want, I just happen to think most of that anger is aimed in the wrong direction. It is the Government who made this all happen.
     

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    How far gone is California when people call 911 when they could just press the brake?

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOMYjiCiTYg]YouTube - How to Stop Sudden Unintended Acceleration[/ame]
     
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