Honey_and_Vinegar
Sharpshooter
You guys never disappoint
I scrolled down purposefully just to find this comment here.
You guys never disappoint
The end of the barrel was what, maybe 6 inches from his shoulder? Hey if you want to use bird loads and wait until your attacker get within 6 inches of you be my guess.
End story was that birdshot is more devastating at close range than people give it credit for
Exactly. How far out is a bird on average when you touch off one. It is a heck of a lot farther the 6"s.
I wonder how much damage the expanding gases added to all of this at that range.
But I'm not going to shoot through walls and into those kids if I can help it. Ain't going to happen.
So you're removing a shotgun from a trunk and the barrel is pointed at your left shoulder. That would indicate you are using your right hand to pull it out by the barrel. The "jack handle" gets stuck in the trigger guard and it fires. So the gun is stored loaded, not on safe, doesn't fire while driving home, so the jack handle didn't enter the equation until he went to remove it. Mimicking the actions I can sort of see how the barrel would be pointed at the shoulder to fire into the area the surgeon cut, which *might* explain the lack of corresponding injuries to a lot of the shot, it stopped just under the skin from inside the muscle (skin is tougher then people give it credit for). If it was nearly touching his skin the gas would drive the shot much further then it normally would if the shot entered through unbroken skin like it normally would. That has to be a contact or near contact wound, which would also explain why the shot in the bottom of the picture is only along the bone. It hit bone and rode it down. Also how the shotcup was forced in.
I'm not 100% convinced, but the wound pattern is at least plausible with his story.
That has not been my experience with people shot. "Annoying" would be a much more accurate descriptor.
The SIL may be an idiot, but I was always taught, and teach younger shooters the most important thing is never point the gun at anything you are not planning to shoot. Or at least point the gun in a safe direction. WHY would anyone remove a firearm from a trunk with the barrel pointed at themselves?!?!?
The SIL may be an idiot, but I was always taught, and teach younger shooters the most important thing is never point the gun at anything you are not planning to shoot. Or at least point the gun in a safe direction. WHY would anyone remove a firearm from a trunk with the barrel pointed at themselves?!?!?
*Is Freeman going to tell the tangelo story again?* Pffft, of course he is.
So, one fine Saturday morning, I am teaching at Wildcat. I have the 10AM-Noon slot on legalities of buying and selling guns, and carrying.
I arrive early and sit in the back. I pull out a tangelo that I brought and to start the peeling, I produce my Sypderco Endura II (medium size, heavy knife) and open it snap style.
The sound bounces off the tile floor and metal chairs, as a unit, the entire class snaps their heads back to look at me. Eyes wide open and a few of them are monkey hooting.
Why do people act so blase around firearms? Because relatively few have shot themselves, but we have ALL cut ourselves, usually in the kitchen.
After my segment, I stuck around to watch the class on the range. Let's just say the gunhandling was less than optimal. Why? Because no one had shot themselves.
Nah, I remember the films I was forced to watch in Driver's ED in H.S.; Blood on the Highway, etc. Did teenagers still do stupid things in cars, yes.Maybe I should mark this thread and force everyone I take out to shoot, to look at this thread prior to handling a firearm. Like they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
Maybe I should mark this thread and force everyone I take out to shoot, to look at this thread prior to handling a firearm. Like they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
Maybe I should mark this thread and force everyone I take out to shoot, to look at this thread prior to handling a firearm. Like they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
You guys never disappoint
...Let's just say the gunhandling was less than optimal. Why? Because no one had shot themselves.
...and by "never", what you truly mean is "always".
I think this makes it clear that there is only one way to train for optimal gun handling.