A Second Bloody Funeral Today

[churchmouse]

You two both nailed it.

From what I have seen most doctors just want to help people. They don't want to be entrepreneurs, accountants, etc. Just fix people.

So they become employees. THEY give up the ability to control the practice of medicine in order to focus on medicine. So the medical industry comes in and runs them, and us.

Let us also not forget about insurance. While not blaming the insurance companies we have become too reliant upon needing them to get health care.

Nor let us forget the massive cost of attending medical school. I am not a socialist nor communist, but I do think it would be an interesting experiment to simply give 1,000 graduating medical students a year the entire cost of their student loan debts forgiven. Imagine what some of them might do with their skills were they not driven to seek maximum returns in order to pay off massive debts? I don't know, but it would be interesting to study the impact.

Regards,

Doug

Stop making students take worthless filler courses to round out the over head for the school.

 

[Quiet Observer]

I call the medical industry, health insurance and big pharma the axis of evil for what they've done to healthcare in this country. I'm also not in any way advocating socialism or socialize healthcare, but we need serious reform in this country for our healthcare.

Which of the evils do you want to get rid of: premature babies weighing a pound at birth survive and grow productive adulthood, new drugs allow cancer patients to live longer with less side effects, less invasive surgeries are done with less damage to the surrounding tissue, cardiac drugs and procedures allow for longer productive lives.

 

[wtburnette]

Which of the evils do you want to get rid of: premature babies weighing a pound at birth survive and grow productive adulthood, new drugs allow cancer patients to live longer with less side effects, less invasive surgeries are done with less damage to the surrounding tissue, cardiac drugs and procedures allow for longer productive lives.

The high cost of all of that and the insane practice for their billing. Yes, we have world class healthcare, but you'll be paying for it until you die. Costs are out of control and it keeps getting worse instead of better.

 

[tim87tr]

I knew there was going to be threads like this eventually and asked why there hadn't been in posts months ago. I do not wish to see harm to anybody and I am posting this recent video in a neutral information manner, as it is relevant to the OP's discussion and post questions.

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[Quiet Observer]

Stop making students take worthless filler courses to round out the over head for the school.

Do you want a doctor or a technician? Historically universities have been designed to give the graduate a broad education with knowledge in several areas, then with specialization toward a specific field. Congress established land-grant colleges in the 1860s. Purdue was one of them granted that status.

So many people consider themselves experts on everyone else's profession and how much money they should earn. It is much the same mindset of those who want to decide should have guns or the type of guns allowed.

 

[ed1838]

I may have posted this before my dad has a rare bone marrow / blood cancer he blames on the covid shots yes he got them all and 2 boosters he has told several doctors how he felt they did not confirm or deny.

 

[NHT3]

Condolences on your loss. I had a friend of over 45 years that was in good health die in his sleep within 4 days of his first jab, myocarditis.. No jab for me and now we know that the vax can bring this condition on. We will never know the truth but my trust in the medical profession is completely gone.

 

[Quiet Observer]

So

I may have posted this before my dad has a rare bone marrow / blood cancer he blames on the covid shots yes he got them all and 2 boosters he has told several doctors how he felt they did not confirm or deny.

Sometimes it is a waste of time to argue with someone who has already made up their mind, regardless of the facts. Agreeing or disagreeing will have no effect on the treatment or disease. I hope for the best for him.

 

[JohnP82]

Sorry for your loss Doug.

 

[KLB]

Do you want a doctor or a technician? Historically universities have been designed to give the graduate a broad education with knowledge in several areas, then with specialization toward a specific field. Congress established land-grant colleges in the 1860s. Purdue was one of them granted that status.

So many people consider themselves experts on everyone else's profession and how much money they should earn. It is much the same mindset of those who want to decide should have guns or the type of guns allowed.

Knowledge of different areas? That knowledge doesn't last. For some professions, it is probably good. For many it is a waste of time and money.

People should make what the market determines they make. The bigger problem is people thinking they should be making more than they can. A degree doesn't guarantee a six figure income.

 

[BE Mike]

I think that DEA rules and organizations like Baptist Health and Norton's have blunted the attempts of good doctors to put patients first. There are mountains of paperwork for each patient visit. I believe that high insurance costs and administrative costs have forced many doctors to join these types of groups. My GP retired because he felt like he was spending more time reporting than actually giving patient care. Another factor that is hurting patient care seems to be that doctors can make a lot more money in specialties than in general practice. I doubt that the AMA is much concerned about patient care and seems to do little to rectify doctor shortages.

 

[Leo]

Stop making students take worthless filler courses to round out the over head for the school.

I have gone to college on and off since 1976. My 2nd degree course of study was Electrical Engineering. We were forced to take liberal arts courses so we would be well rounded. But it only went one way. They never required a liberal arts major to take any Sciences courses so they would be well rounded. I never sat with BA students in basic DC fundamentals or introduction to Physics. I didn't even see any in Algebra or Trigonometry courses. When I went back and studied Business, no BA students in Business management or business accounting courses either.

Sciences majors forced to take liberal arts courses are simply to get more paying customers in the lecture halls to support the liberal arts departments.

 

[Ingomike]

I call the medical industry, health insurance and big pharma the axis of evil for what they've done to healthcare in this country. I'm also not in any way advocating socialism or socialize healthcare, but we need serious reform in this country for our healthcare.

We need free markets with millions of patients making their own decisions with their own money.

 

[Ingomike]

I do think it would be an interesting experiment to simply give 1,000 graduating medical students a year the entire cost of their student loan debts forgiven. Imagine what some of them might do with their skills were they not driven to seek maximum returns in order to pay off massive debts? I don't know, but it would be interesting to study the impact.

That exists right now, after residency a doctor can choose to work in underserved areas and have student loans forgiven…

 

[Ingomike]

I have gone to college on and off since 1976. My 2nd degree course of study was Electrical Engineering. We were forced to take liberal arts courses so we would be well rounded. But it only went one way. They never required a liberal arts major to take any Sciences courses so they would be well rounded. I never sat with BA students in basic DC fundamentals or introduction to Physics. I didn't even see any in Algebra or Trigonometry courses. When I went back and studied Business, no BA students in Business management or business accounting courses either.

Sciences majors forced to take liberal arts courses are simply to get more paying customers in the lecture halls to support the liberal arts departments.

That is an interesting post, I never thought about why the BA students were not required to “be well rounded”…. LOL

 

[Quiet Observer]

I have gone to college on and off since 1976. My 2nd degree course of study was Electrical Engineering. We were forced to take liberal arts courses so we would be well rounded. But it only went one way. They never required a liberal arts major to take any Sciences courses so they would be well rounded. I never sat with BA students in basic DC fundamentals or introduction to Physics. I didn't even see any in Algebra or Trigonometry courses. When I went back and studied Business, no BA students in Business management or business accounting courses either.

Sciences majors forced to take liberal arts courses are simply to get more paying customers in the lecture halls to support the liberal arts departments.

Here is a partial list of required classes for a BA from Indiana University in Bloomington. Note mathematical modeling and the natural and mathematical science courses. You would not have seen me in your physics course. I took chemistry and biology. ​

If the business management course was 300 or 400 level that be design for more specialized students, and not for those meeting general requirements.

Bachelor of Arts requirements​

The Bachelor of Arts degree requires at least 120 credit hours, to include the following:

1. College of Arts and Sciences Credit Hours. At least 100 credit hours must come from College of Arts and Sciences disciplines.
2. Upper Division Courses. At least 42 credit hours (of the 120) must be at the 300–499 level.
3. College Residency. Following completion of the 60th credit hour toward degree, at least 36 credit hours of College of Arts and Sciences coursework must be completed through the Indiana University Bloomington campus or an IU-administered or IU co-sponsored Overseas Study program.
4. College GPA. A College grade point average (GPA) of at least 2.000 is required.
5. CASE Requirements. The following College of Arts and Sciences Education (CASE) requirements must be completed:
   1. CASE Foundations
      1. English Composition: 1 course
      2. Mathematical Modeling: 1 course
   2. CASE Breadth of Inquiry
      1. Arts and Humanities: 4 courses
      2. Natural and Mathematical Sciences: 4 courses
      3. Social and Historical Studies: 4 courses

Majors, Minors + Certificates

bulletin.college.indiana.edu

 

[Libertarian01]

That exists right now, after residency a doctor can choose to work in underserved areas and have student loans forgiven…

I know these programs exist, but they aren't quite the type of experiment I was looking for. They are being forced/enticed/bribed to go to X location and provide Y service. They aren't at liberty to do what they want.

I am talking about absolute freedom. They walk out of med school with their doctorate, and someone says, "Congratulations, you have won one of the med school lotteries, ALL of your student loans are paid. Go do what you want!"

In my scenario they would be free to open their own practice anywhere, including a highly served community, AND offer their services for far less than the current practitioners. Granted, their experience and skill would be less, but their cost would be less.

Malpractice insurance? Without the weight of a student loan they may be able to pay for it out of their own pocket due to reduced expenses, thus avoiding them being forced to work inside of a preexisting medical network.

I do not know...? It might not work that way at all, but it sure would be fun to find out over a decade if 10,000 medical doctors could go where they wanted and do what they wanted how they wanted without having to worry about immediately paying back some of the largest, if not the largest, student loans of any profession.

Regards,

Doug

 

[DadSmith]

I got word two (2) weeks ago that another friend, whom I have known for over 30 years, had died suddenly. He had gone to pick up his wife from work and she found him in the parking lot slumped over the steering wheel.

Today I attended that funeral. It was devastating! He was only 55, a year younger than me. Like Jack he too had recently passed a physical. His doctor had told him to lose 20 pounds, but that was it. Otherwise he was in good shape.

I am NOT a conspiracy guy. I don't think this was caused by the vaccine, but I don't know. I support vaccine usage! I just got my first of two shots for Shingles at the VA a month ago.

I also wonder if this has been contributed to by the increased stress level of media coverage of Covid? Both my friends really didn't worry too much, if at all. Neither did/do I. However, I must admit (reluctantly) that we are all human beings and not immune to the normal stressors caused by the lockdowns and financial stresses caused by such lock downs.

I don't think we'll know the total impact for several decades. It will take time to collate the data, study it, and draw conclusions from it, which will certainly be argued over for the next few decades after that.

I do know that I have now lost two (2) friends decades before I should be saying goodby, and this just sucks!!!

Regards,

Doug

Belated condolences buddy.
It's always hard to lose a friend, and two like that is painful.

 

[tim87tr]

I know these programs exist, but they aren't quite the type of experiment I was looking for. They are being forced/enticed/bribed to go to X location and provide Y service. They aren't at liberty to do what they want.

I am talking about absolute freedom. They walk out of med school with their doctorate, and someone says, "Congratulations, you have won one of the med school lotteries, ALL of your student loans are paid. Go do what you want!"

In my scenario they would be free to open their own practice anywhere, including a highly served community, AND offer their services for far less than the current practitioners. Granted, their experience and skill would be less, but their cost would be less.

Malpractice insurance? Without the weight of a student loan they may be able to pay for it out of their own pocket due to reduced expenses, thus avoiding them being forced to work inside of a preexisting medical network.

I do not know...? It might not work that way at all, but it sure would be fun to find out over a decade if 10,000 medical doctors could go where they wanted and do what they wanted how they wanted without having to worry about immediately paying back some of the largest, if not the largest, student loans of any profession.

Regards,

Doug

All along with the heightened medical industrialization of the last couple years, groups like Front Line Doctors have formed and would likely recruit new doctors into their system that developed out of necessity against trickle down political and medical tyranny. I see that as a good thing that has happened. I hope the gravy train is over for the medical institutions and their systems captured by this c19 power grid. It's exposed a corrupt system and people are awakening to what has been done.

 

[Ingomike]

I hope the gravy train is over for the medical institutions and their systems captured by this c19 power grid. It's exposed a corrupt system and people are awakening to what has been done.

Did you expect anything other from obummercare? I’m afraid to tell you this but it’s going to get worse, not better.