A Second Bloody Funeral Today

[Libertarian01]

I got word two (2) weeks ago that another friend, whom I have known for over 30 years, had died suddenly. He had gone to pick up his wife from work and she found him in the parking lot slumped over the steering wheel.

Today I attended that funeral. It was devastating! He was only 55, a year younger than me. Like Jack he too had recently passed a physical. His doctor had told him to lose 20 pounds, but that was it. Otherwise he was in good shape.

I am NOT a conspiracy guy. I don't think this was caused by the vaccine, but I don't know. I support vaccine usage! I just got my first of two shots for Shingles at the VA a month ago.

I also wonder if this has been contributed to by the increased stress level of media coverage of Covid? Both my friends really didn't worry too much, if at all. Neither did/do I. However, I must admit (reluctantly) that we are all human beings and not immune to the normal stressors caused by the lockdowns and financial stresses caused by such lock downs.

I don't think we'll know the total impact for several decades. It will take time to collate the data, study it, and draw conclusions from it, which will certainly be argued over for the next few decades after that.

I do know that I have now lost two (2) friends decades before I should be saying goodby, and this just sucks!!!

Regards,

Doug

 

[jwamplerusa]

My condolences. I've been lucky in this regard, but I also know that eventually it will happen.

 

[KLB]

I know how you feel. A guy that worked with me died last month. 57 years old in good health. Passed in his sleep.

I don't think we'll know the total impact for several decades. It will take time to collate the data, study it, and draw conclusions from it, which will certainly be argued over for the next few decades after that.

This would be fine and dandy if they would actually do it and tell people what they find.

I'll just say I am glad I did not get jabbed.

 

[indyblue]

I'll just say I am glad I did not get jabbed.

Ditto

 

[Quiet Observer]

There have always been healthy people who have died unexpectedly. I am 77 and remember back to 1950s. High school athletes collapsed and died at practice. Forty-year-old man comes home from work and dies at the kitchen table. Recruit dies during basic. There are many more examples.
I have been a Navy Hospital Corpsman, an ER orderly, and a registered nurse.

A lot of times there is an unrecognized condition, or the person never had a problem checked out. "He was always so healthy", well maybe not.

 

[littletommy]

Sorry for your loss. There are a lot of things happening now that just don’t make sense. I believe conspiracy theorists are proven correct more often than they used to be.
I honestly don’t know what to believe anymore.

 

[MCgrease08]

Sorry to hear about your friend.

 

[churchmouse]

I know how you feel. A guy that worked with me died last month. 57 years old in good health. Passed in his sleep.

This would be fine and dandy if they would actually do it and tell people what they find.

I'll just say I am glad I did not get jabbed.

No jabs here. No one in the compound and many of my friends do not believe this is a viable path to take. I have lost friends to Covid (???) and they were fully vaxed. So you tell me.
As to your losses OP my heart felt condolences.
I doubt we will ever again get any truth we can actually believe from the hill.

 

[Libertarian01]

There have always been healthy people who have died unexpectedly. I am 77 and remember back to 1950s. High school athletes collapsed and died at practice. Forty-year-old man comes home from work and dies at the kitchen table. Recruit dies during basic. There are many more examples.
I have been a Navy Hospital Corpsman, an ER orderly, and a registered nurse.

A lot of times there is an unrecognized condition, or the person never had a problem checked out. "He was always so healthy", well maybe not.

I agree that often times, more-so in the past, that problems went undetected.

However, in both of my friends cases this was NOT the case. Jack had just passed a very thorough physical, including a heart scan. It all came back without abnormalites. In my most recent friends case he too had recently passed a physical. Again, not flying colours but the most concerning issue was losing a whopping 20 pounds.

You used the key word - "unexpectedly." We expect certain problems as we age. We DO have normal mortality tables that indicate that, for the most part, if you live to 50 then 65 is almost, statistically, guaranteed. The mortality rate in the USA between those two age groups is not large. However, once we got to 65 the numbers start to go up, eventually very dramatically to then certainty.

My second friends passing is deemed so unusual that he will be receiving an autopsy. Perhaps it will find some hitherto unknown issue. Perhaps not.

No jabs here. No one in the compound and many of my friends do not believe this is a viable path to take. I have lost friends to Covid (???) and they were fully vaxed. So you tell me.
As to your losses OP my heart felt condolences.
I doubt we will ever again get any truth we can actually believe from the hill.

I believe that in the end we, or at least the public, will know some degree of truth to it. I don't think the risks of the vaccine will be as small as its proponents suggest, nor will they be as large as the antivaxers claim. As usual, it will probably be somewhere in the middle.

My problem is that I really DO believe in science as a tool to determining facts. I would suggest that early exposure to Agent Orange showed no signs of cancer within a year. This is about the time that the vaccines have been out. It was only after many years have passed that we know more. Sadly...

Just in the last year I have received the Flu, Pneumonia, and first of two (2) Shingles vaccines. I very much believe in vaccines, but I also believe in weighing the risk/reward balance as I have often said before. If Covid-19 had a mortality rate of over about 5% I would not hesitate to get the vaccine. 1 in 20 death? I'd be begging to get the vaccine.

But it doesn't go that high, so I am stuck wondering. As my friends both received the Covid-19 vaccine I am left questioning even more. I still don't believe there is a significant link, but I just cannot say with certainty. We do know there was one of the vaccines that caused heart issues in young men. I think this was in Isreal. Another vaccine had a nasty side effect of causing blood clotting in women that could not be helped with blood thinner.

So there were clearly "some" risks for some people. I don't mind taking a risk, I just want to know what it is.

Regards,

Doug

 

[wtburnette]

Condolences on the loss of your friend.

There have always been healthy people who have died unexpectedly. I am 77 and remember back to 1950s. High school athletes collapsed and died at practice. Forty-year-old man comes home from work and dies at the kitchen table. Recruit dies during basic. There are many more examples.
I have been a Navy Hospital Corpsman, an ER orderly, and a registered nurse.

A lot of times there is an unrecognized condition, or the person never had a problem checked out. "He was always so healthy", well maybe not.

Agree with you completely, however, I think the issue currently is the number of these incidents. It used to be that such a thing was relatively rare and now it seems like this sort of thing is becoming more commonplace. Doesn't seem to me to be a good trend and it just so happens to be after a huge government push for a vaccine that is near to worthless, but known to have horrid side effects and of which we've only seen a very tiny slice of the rushed testing results from just one drug company.

 

[tomcat13]

Sincere Condolences & Thank You for Your Service.
Agree it will take years to Fully understand the Ramifications of this "Pandemic" & associated vaccines.
Unfortunately, we the Public will probably never hear the Real Facts! IMO

 

[Farmerjon]

I had a heart doctor and did a bunch of expensive tests. One visit I asked him about the artery that goes around back and if he had checked that (had been reading about it being the silent killer). He said, "no, that one hard and expensive to check". What the heck?????? Never went back.

 

[wcd]

Condolence, and a suggestion enjoy life appreciate those around you, and be kind.

 

[Libertarian01]

I had a heart doctor and did a bunch of expensive tests. One visit I asked him about the artery that goes around back and if he had checked that (had been reading about it being the silent killer). He said, "no, that one hard and expensive to check". What the heck?????? Never went back.

See, I think he should have told you about the test and the cost and let YOU decide.

However, this is my argument against the cost/benefit analysis of health care. We could probably save millions of lives every year IF we ran EVERY test for EVERY disease and problem EVERY six (6) monthes, starting six (6) monthes after birth! We would catch all problems early and save lives...

And we would go bankrupt doing so.

There does come a point where we need to stop worrying and live our lives in peace and relaxation, not scheduling out our MRI's, lab tests, colon rectal tests, mammograms (for both women and men), heart scans, arterial scans, bone density scans, genetic scans, liver tests, kidney tests, at nauseum.

Perhaps we can come to a day when Dr. McCoy will run his tricorder over us and find all of our problems in 30 seconds. Until we get there each of us does have to find our own comfort level. They should use their skill and knowledge to inform us, and then WE decide what we're willing to endure.

Regards,

Doug

 

[BE Mike]

My condolences. I've been there several times. I lost friends my age and younger from accident and disease. When it's your time to go, you will go. The question is, "Are you prepared?"

 

[BigRed]

I got word two (2) weeks ago that another friend, whom I have known for over 30 years, had died suddenly. He had gone to pick up his wife from work and she found him in the parking lot slumped over the steering wheel.

Today I attended that funeral. It was devastating! He was only 55, a year younger than me. Like Jack he too had recently passed a physical. His doctor had told him to lose 20 pounds, but that was it. Otherwise he was in good shape.

I am NOT a conspiracy guy. I don't think this was caused by the vaccine, but I don't know. I support vaccine usage! I just got my first of two shots for Shingles at the VA a month ago.

I also wonder if this has been contributed to by the increased stress level of media coverage of Covid? Both my friends really didn't worry too much, if at all. Neither did/do I. However, I must admit (reluctantly) that we are all human beings and not immune to the normal stressors caused by the lockdowns and financial stresses caused by such lock downs.

I don't think we'll know the total impact for several decades. It will take time to collate the data, study it, and draw conclusions from it, which will certainly be argued over for the next few decades after that.

I do know that I have now lost two (2) friends decades before I should be saying goodby, and this just sucks!!!

Regards,

Doug

My condolences...I am sorry to hear of your loss and their families losses.

 

[churchmouse]

I had a heart doctor and did a bunch of expensive tests. One visit I asked him about the artery that goes around back and if he had checked that (had been reading about it being the silent killer). He said, "no, that one hard and expensive to check". What the heck?????? Never went back.

The practice of medicine.

 

[yeahbaby]

The practice of medicine.

More like the business of medicine.

 

[Libertarian01]

The practice of medicine.

More like the business of medicine.

You two both nailed it.

From what I have seen most doctors just want to help people. They don't want to be entrepreneurs, accountants, etc. Just fix people.

So they become employees. THEY give up the ability to control the practice of medicine in order to focus on medicine. So the medical industry comes in and runs them, and us.

Let us also not forget about insurance. While not blaming the insurance companies we have become too reliant upon needing them to get health care.

Nor let us forget the massive cost of attending medical school. I am not a socialist nor communist, but I do think it would be an interesting experiment to simply give 1,000 graduating medical students a year the entire cost of their student loan debts forgiven. Imagine what some of them might do with their skills were they not driven to seek maximum returns in order to pay off massive debts? I don't know, but it would be interesting to study the impact.

Regards,

Doug

 

[wtburnette]

You two both nailed it.

From what I have seen most doctors just want to help people. They don't want to be entrepreneurs, accountants, etc. Just fix people.

So they become employees. THEY give up the ability to control the practice of medicine in order to focus on medicine. So the medical industry comes in and runs them, and us.

Let us also not forget about insurance. While not blaming the insurance companies we have become too reliant upon needing them to get health care.

Nor let us forget the massive cost of attending medical school. I am not a socialist nor communist, but I do think it would be an interesting experiment to simply give 1,000 graduating medical students a year the entire cost of their student loan debts forgiven. Imagine what some of them might do with their skills were they not driven to seek maximum returns in order to pay off massive debts? I don't know, but it would be interesting to study the impact.

Regards,

Doug

I call the medical industry, health insurance and big pharma the axis of evil for what they've done to healthcare in this country. I'm also not in any way advocating socialism or socialize healthcare, but we need serious reform in this country for our healthcare.