A pic I thought appropriate for this forum

[Expat]

Out of rep, but good post.

 

[SkullDaddy.45]

Me Likeeeee!

 

[Mark 1911]

 

[jrogers]

They haven't? Really? No attempt? I suppose that you are correct in that they have not attempted to change the actual Constitutional Amendment but they have certainly done everything they can think of to abridge the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms. When the president was unable to pass his agenda through legitimate congressional channels, he simply tried to do it unilaterally with executive orders and by signing the UN Small Arms Treaty. Face it, Obama has tried to do all he can to prevent the legal, private ownership of firearms in this country. He has attacked it from every angle he can even attempting to strangle the ammo supply.

Maybe you don't understand American things?

So you admit that the macro is inaccurate? Feel free to point out how the current Administration has sought to change the 2nd Amendment. The rest of your post isn't really relevant to the macro, but it ranges from accurate (attempts to ram through awful new gun laws) to inaccurate and/or disingenuous (UNSAT hysteria).

As for the implication that I don't understand "American things," suffice to say that dissent is profoundly American. Oddly, bothering to understand what words mean and engage in civil debate seems to be considered without value on INGO. This is entirely at odds with the Enlightenment ideals under which our country was founded.

JRog complaining about something? Naw... say it ain't so, Cecil!

Less "complaining" than "pointing out foolishness." Unfortunately finding it is usually just a matter of clicking a random thread in GP. Sorry to have ruined your echo chamber!

I get it and I like it!
You bet Obama has been trying to change the Second Amendment.....the interpretation of it anyway, close enough for me.

Not only is this untrue, but it demonstrates basic ignorance of how our federal government is designed.

 

[Whosyer]

So you admit that the macro is inaccurate? Feel free to point out how the current Administration has sought to change the 2nd Amendment. The rest of your post isn't really relevant to the macro, but it ranges from accurate (attempts to ram through awful new gun laws) to inaccurate and/or disingenuous (UNSAT hysteria).

As for the implication that I don't understand "American things," suffice to say that dissent is profoundly American. Oddly, bothering to understand what words mean and engage in civil debate seems to be considered without value on INGO. This is entirely at odds with the Enlightenment ideals under which our country was founded.




Less "complaining" than "pointing out foolishness." Unfortunately finding it is usually just a matter of clicking a random thread in GP. Sorry to have ruined your echo chamber!




Not only is this untrue, but it demonstrates basic ignorance of how our federal government is designed.

Just out of curiosity, have you ever kept track of how many times you've used the words "echo chamber" on this forum?

 

[octalman]

So jrogers, because there has been no direct effort to remove or re-write the 2nd amendment, all is well. The numerous local, State and Federal laws proposed, some passed, that limit 2nd amendment rights are of no concern?

Death by a thousand paper cuts. 2nd Amendment is untouched, but rendered null and void by legislation.

 

[printcraft]

So you admit that the macro is inaccurate? Feel free to point out how the current Administration has sought to change the 2nd Amendment. The rest of your post isn't really relevant to the macro, but it ranges from accurate (attempts to ram through awful new gun laws) to inaccurate and/or disingenuous (UNSAT hysteria).

Not only is this untrue, but it demonstrates basic ignorance of how our federal government is designed.

So....... you have short term memory loss?
You don't remember president stompy foot having a petulant child fit just a little while ago about not getting new gun legislation passed?

Wait wait wait....... yes technically that isn't actually changing the 2nd Amendment.......... so by strict definition you are correct........
Correct just like the zero tolerance gun policy in schools where a pop tart shaped like a gun is a real gun, or a 1" lego gun is a real gun.
If you push your ideology to its utmost stupidly absurd limit you are correct about almost everything. That must be a really warm fuzzy feeling.

ALSO...... See below........ \/

So jrogers, because there has been no direct effort to remove or re-write the 2nd amendment, all is well. The numerous local, State and Federal laws proposed, some passed, that limit 2nd amendment rights are of no concern?

Death by a thousand paper cuts. 2nd Amendment is untouched, but rendered null and void by legislation.

 

[warthog]

J, if I may call you J, I am good and playing with semantics too. All you really are doing is attempting to show off. "See, I know how to take your words and twist them" when I am sure you also know what was meant. If what you want is an ultra precise statement, say so. Be certain it is what you want though since your words and use of language aren't as perfect as you think they are and can be twisted and used the same way.

At this point, I leave this particular thread.

 

[Bennettjh]

I dig it!

 

[ViperJock]

Stop trying to use logic to argue with liberals. They don't undetstand it.

 

[jrogers]

Just out of curiosity, have you ever kept track of how many times you've used the words "echo chamber" on this forum?

Believe me, much less often than is warranted.

So jrogers, because there has been no direct effort to remove or re-write the 2nd amendment, all is well. The numerous local, State and Federal laws proposed, some passed, that limit 2nd amendment rights are of no concern?

Death by a thousand paper cuts. 2nd Amendment is untouched, but rendered null and void by legislation.

Nope. The recent attempts to restrict firearms rights were not acceptable at all, and I'm pleased that they were largely defeated.

That doesn't make the claim in the OP accurate, nor does my ability to discern fact from fiction mean that I don't support gun rights.

Wait wait wait....... yes technically that isn't actually changing the 2nd Amendment.......... so by strict definition you are correct........
Correct just like the zero tolerance gun policy in schools where a pop tart shaped like a gun is a real gun, or a 1" lego gun is a real gun.
If you push your ideology to its utmost stupidly absurd limit you are correct about almost everything. That must be a really warm fuzzy feeling.

Yes, by strict definition, i.e., "in reality," my point is correct. Your attempt to equate that with bad zero tolerance policies is without merit. When one finds it necessary to refer to a statement of fact as pushing ideology perhaps it's time to reevaluate your position.

 

[printcraft]

Believe me, much less often than is warranted.

Nope. The recent attempts to restrict firearms rights were not acceptable at all, and I'm pleased that they were largely defeated.

That doesn't make the claim in the OP accurate, nor does my ability to discern fact from fiction mean that I don't support gun rights.

Yes, by strict definition, i.e., "in reality," my point is correct. Your attempt to equate that with bad zero tolerance policies is without merit. When one finds it necessary to refer to a statement of fact as pushing ideology perhaps it's time to reevaluate your position.

Question: Do you think that obama and his cronies would eliminate the 2nd Amendment all together if given the chance?

Note: the "in reality" non answer of "it would never happen because x" is not an acceptable response.

 

[Trigger Time]

By that metric I can slap "second amendment" into any post and call it on topic here. The macro is exploiting a wedge issue which just happens to be the 2nd Amendment to attack the ACA, and firearms are only incidentally related. It's also factually inaccurate in its implication, as the Obama Administrations, whatever its failings, has not attempted to change or remove the Second Amendment. The macro belongs with all the rest of the screeching about socialism and black helicopters over in the General Political forum if it must be posted at all. That the OP called his own choice of subforum into question is reason enough to opine thereon.




What, exactly, is the "American thing," and why wouldn't I understand? I assume you mean that to be read as a childish insult, but it's incoherent.

Can you talk yourself into orgasm?

 

[jake blue]

Can you talk yourself into orgasm?

Something like that because he gets off on stirring up strife on the forums and continuing to engage him simply feeds his obsession.

 

[DFM914]

+1 to the OP

 

[cbhausen]

How soon we forget:

Flashback?Obama, Circa 1990s: 'I Don't Believe People Should Be Able to Own Guns'

Obama is ANTI-GUN. "Make no mistake, let me make this perfectly clear", etc. etc. The real danger is his ability to shape the Federal court system with liberals who would favor infringement of the 2A. I'm still pissed we elected this clown and I will be until he gets on that helicopter and flies away, hopefully to Hawaii never to be heard from again.

 

[jrogers]

Question: Do you think that obama and his cronies would eliminate the 2nd Amendment all together if given the chance?

Note: the "in reality" non answer of "it would never happen because x" is not an acceptable response.

If not actually eliminated then amended significantly, and not in a manner that would please anyone around here.

It's not a very productive question to ask since it's a staggeringly improbable circumstance, but of course they would like to see more restrictions on civilian firearm ownership. I'm not convinced by claims that they would eliminate it if given the chance, but they're certainly not friends of the 2nd.

Can you talk yourself into orgasm?

That's unnecessarily crass. Did your parents not teach you how to behave in public?

 

[Iroquois]

So, let me get this straight, signing our gun rights over to the United Nations DOESN"T nullify our second amendment....or our national sovereignty ????

 

[trip9901]

MERICA!!

 

[UncleMike]

What is that God awful smell????
Oh, I see it now.....
People have been feeding a troll again and it's taken a crap in the thread.

The ignore feature helps prevent trollage and helps freshen INGO too.
BTW OP...
Great post....