longbarrel
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Sectional density is extremely low. Won't penetrate for crap.
I wouldn't volunteer to stand in front of one, with or without leather/denim/kevlar/lead or anything else
Sectional density is extremely low. Won't penetrate for crap.
I wouldn't volunteer to stand in front of one, with or without leather/denim/kevlar/lead or anything else
This seems misguided. I mean the thing that makes a 45 ACP a good performer is a 230 gr bullet at 850-900 fps. If you make a way lighter bullet at higher velocity why not use something smaller that goes just as fast? The only thing they have changed is the velocity and sectional density of the bullet which performance wise within the target I would bet they will loos performance rather than gain it.
I can't help but think of the old addage "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
My winter carry in the 45acp is 165 grain +P Corbon Pow'rBall. IMO that is a much better setup. My summer carry is Ranger SXT, again a very good setup.
Why do people think this is a clever retort? Would you volunteer to get kicked in the junk? Does a reasonable person's refusal to get kicked in the junk make a pair of Nikes the best self defense option around?
I don't think it is clever. I also don't think getting shot by a 230 grain or 70 grain, or 17 grain bb would be something that I (myself) would be willing to do? It has nothing to do with retort. Just saying if it is supposedly going to be a failure, ballistically speaking, then it should not bother a person to be in the way of one Also, no junk kicking volunteer here.
I'm a bit ballistically challenged, unlike some on the board. I only know what little I've witnessed with my own eyes. Light projectiles going really fast do tend to have their share of fans. I can tell you that the 22TCM pistol will penetrate the kevlar that the current US issued helmet is made out of and have video to prove it. I don't think than anyone would argue that 45 Ball would be better for penetrating a windshield and taking out a bad guy but if your target is not behind "cover" I would imagine that the light, high velocity projectile would be more than adequate for the task..
Just my laymans .02 worth of opinion.
OH, and as silly as it may sound to some, as longbarrel said, I wouldn't want to "catch" one either.
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So, in your world, since I would rather not stub my toe and would rather not have my leg cut off, they are equal? That's basically what you are saying, as long as someone isn't willing to stand in front of it, then its not a failure and therefore equal.
The "wouldn't stand in front of it" test is as meaningless as the "a hit with "X" caliber is better than a miss with "Y" caliber.
This is why I stay with the .45 ACP
If you are going to throw a projectile at someone in anger...throw all that is available and make it count.
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