^ This.
I make a living selling computers. I defend capitalism, not whiny forum users
So go sell some computers and quit whining about folks with views different from yours.
^ This.
I make a living selling computers. I defend capitalism, not whiny forum users
Well Ya, there's more than a few old sayings regarding when pointing out what's wrong with others one should take a close look at themselves.
please explain the specific evil of "flippers". What makes what they do so utterly sinful to you? Do you think they're responsible for the empty shelves? When all the big box stores are selling it for nearly the same price as before, and with a market that is willing to pay $75 for a lousy Winchester bulk pack, do you think it would stay on the shelves?
Maybe you'll also think that I'm defending "flippers" so I must be one. Well, I shoot what I buy. If I'm defending anything, it's free market Capitalism. And I'm pointing out that you're blaming the wrong culprit for this predicament.
I can't live the lifestyle I want because my greedy employer doesn't pay me enough.
I can't shoot what I want because the greedy flippers deny me the opportunity.
In both cases, my choices had no effect on the predicament I'm in. It's the greedy bastards who are at fault.
That is my situation as well. I have 3 Marlin Model 60's, and all of them will shoot anything. And shoot it accurately I might add. As with most .22 semi autos, they tend to get filthy in short order because of the blowback action. They do require much more frequent cleaning because of that. Nothing that a coffee can full of clean Kerosene, a stiff bristled paint brush, and a air hose won't take care of in 5 minutes.
Defending "the purity of the flippers", is in itself defending capitalism. Nothing more or less. The only way you can prevent these type of people is through limits on purchases, and price controls. As for me, I think the latter is far more annoying and dangerous to contend with than the "flippers".
I don't think it's as much of a question as to, "what's wrong with others", as it is what's wrong with a capitalist nation that thinks like a bunch of socialists. With the have not's continually whining about the haves. Wahhhhh. He's got more ammo than me... And he doesn't even shoot it!
it's the people that come trotting in everytime defending such nonsense and claiming any of differing views must be whining.
The root of the problem? Perhaps not. Exasperating the problem? Absolutely. I don't care what you think about my opinion. I'll continue having it, and expressing it as I please.
Horn, I make plenty, more then most. I shoot anytime I want and replenish just fine. Your arguments fall pathetically short of having any relevance here....
That is a fair point. But do we never draw a line. Say items like gasoline? Do you think such tactics would be allowed to continue with a number of different items? During the gas shortages of the 70's did they allow people to sell their allotment for 3 times the going rate? After a hurricane do they allow people to horde and inflate the cost of bottle water?
I don't think you're a socialist. My purpose isn't to call any names or pile on. I just think you guys are blaming the wrong source. I don't care about making a profit, I don't sell what I buy because it's more valuable to me to shoot. I'm not a "flipper". But I don't hate them either. They see an opportunity and they avail themselves of it.My version of capitalism involves charging what the market will bear. I feel the market does remarkably well, I haven't paid more then $4.00 for a box of 50 since all of this began. I have nearly 1500 rounds and obtain 100 each week from my LGS. What I can't understand is why someone would pay so much for something from someone with so little invested? Storefront? Nope. Advertising? Nope. Any appreciable overhead? Not hardly. I disagree with it, it doesn't personally affect me... certainly not to the degree it does some of you who come here zealously defending the virtues of capitalism. All while claiming all who oppose such practises are socialist. If anyone sounds liike a sniveling 2 year old crying over a dropped ice cream cone.. it's the people that come trotting in everytime defending such nonsense and claiming any of differing views must be whining.
Folks can buy what they want, for whatever reason they want. None of my business. Folks can sell it at whatever price they want, too. None of my business. I do not have to buy it. It is not Obama Affordable Health Care that I am forced by the US Congress to buy. If they want $70 for a brick of Remington, and some fool wants to pay it, have at it. I am not paying it. No skin off my nose. But I will remember who did right by me when I needed some ammo, and who was poking a stick in my eye then, too.
While I do not support what the "flippers" are doing and it does not effect me personally, my gripe is the fact it is hurting our future young folks getting into the sport of firearms, and that is a bad thing.
Now to those who say why do I not give the young folks some of my stash, I have, and I've supported them with funds, but now being as here where I live the lottery put on by Federal was offered to our youth group and we took advantage of it this is no longer an issue, locally.
But I still stand by my ideals in the grand scheme of things.
Don't agree with me, that's your option, do I really care, only to the fact it shows how the country feels about their fellow men.
If the ammo industry raised its price to meet demand, what would you think of them? If you walked into Walmart and found a bulk pack of federal for $72.99, would it **** you off? My guess is, it would. Would you blame Walmart? My guess is, you would.
But if they'd have done that back when this crap first started, there'd have been no flippers, and you'd have seen plenty of ammo on the shelves then, and the price would have dropped back to normal within a few months. These "flippers" got most of their supply from big box stores. If they had no source of cheap ammo, there'd be no incentive to flip.
But no, we like to hold businesses to our own "ideals" so they don't respond to the market in natural ways. So they still sell it cheap when the market would bear much more. And people buy it up.
Being as I spent most of my working career in retail and the last 20 years with my own successful retail business, I never thought of treating my customers in such a matter.
You may feel different, but I held my fellow man "customers" to a higher level, mayhap that was why I was successful, mayhap its why W/M is so successful.
The other issue with "flippers", do they in fact have a license to sell? I know folks do not need a license for an occasional sale, now & then, but most of these "flippers" have now been at it for months now. Tax license obviously required other than it's an underground economy. I know we did when we, wife & I, were in business.