2016 Presidential debate debate

[T.Lex]

Look at the diverse group that could support Mitch. Me. You. Alpo. 1911ly. I think even MrJ has said he liked Daniels. And that underscores a problem with our system. I don't believe Daniels would have made it through the primary. Having witnessed the primary, I'm pretty sure he is confident he made the right decision.

See, I think Daniels would rule the primary. Kasich's above-the-fray approach, Christie's focus on results (regardless whether good or bad), Huckabee's conservative-but-not-angry-about-it personality.

 

[jamil]

See, I think Daniels would rule the primary. Kasich's above-the-fray approach, Christie's focus on results (regardless whether good or bad), Huckabee's conservative-but-not-angry-about-it personality.

Yeah. But he's not a middle finger.

 

[Alpo]

The selection process needs to be overhauled. There is no real justification for debates with 10 to 20 candidates. That is not "democracy in action" when all states don't vote on the same day. Whittle it down. Get rid of the man at the top: Preibus. There are good candidates out there, but I can't say that any of the yahoos that showed up at the debates this year were what I would consider "good".

 

[T.Lex]

Yeah. But he's not a middle finger.

Ah. Right. This past cycle, he might not've gotten traction.

Generally, though, I think he'd do great.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Ditto. It's the first time I've ever been impressed by him. If he were at the top of the ticket, I could probably vote for him.



That seems to be the only way the Dems can spin what happened last night. Their boy got trounced. The only points Pence really lost on were points Kaine made about Trump which were true. Pence either had to deflect or admit his boss is a douchebag. He deflected pretty well, but Pence made it pretty obvious that he is the only statesman in that duo.

I do think Pence helped Trump overall. It may have given people more confidence in a Trump presidency. It did that for me. Not that I'm ready to pull the lever for Trump, but I'm at least slightly less concerned about a Trump presidency than I was before. And hell, maybe the best way out of this conundrum America has created is to vote for Trump, and then immediately demand Trump's impeachment.

Anyway, most of America won't know Kaine got his ass handed to him. Flipping through the local news, except for the local Fox affiliate, the only clips that were shown from the debate were Kaine listing all the stupid things Trump has said. They didn't show anything from Pence, probably because he didn't make any gaffs.

I don't think Kaine got trounced. Not at all. He did exactly what he needed to do, which was a hatchet job on Trump. VP candidates aren't there to sell themselves, they're there to sell their bosses. Kaine, was too aggressive but he knew his stuff. His aggressiveness and straight up being a ****, is why Pence came out looking better.

 

[indiucky]

Yeah. But he's not a middle finger.

Thanks bro...Lest we forget....

 

[Restroyer]

I don't think Kaine got trounced. Not at all. He did exactly what he needed to do, which was a hatchet job on Trump. VP candidates aren't there to sell themselves, they're there to sell their bosses. Kaine, was too aggressive but he knew his stuff. His aggressiveness and straight up being a ****, is why Pence came out looking better.

Even many in the liberal media are saying Kaine's performance was horrible. Not sure what your definition of "trounced" is but Kaine was the clear loser. As my sons said - Kaine is just a male version of Hillary - shrill and obnoxious. If you don't like Hillary you won't like Kaine. Whereas Trump is rude and obnoxious but he was wise enough to pick the exact opposite of his personality in Pence. So a fence rider might go for the Trump / Pence ticket based on the civility of Pence.

 

[Dirtebiker]

I can't believe how hard Pence raked Kaine over the coals.

Good lord is Pence a good debater. He made Kaine look like an angry blabbering child.

Kaine did that himself.

 

[Dirtebiker]

HRC and Kaine a perfect combination.

Moderator will never be seen again but she was kinda hot.

Hot???
take the make up and the foot long eyelashes off, and you've got Michael Jackson.

 

[Dirtebiker]

I told my wife I think he looks like the grandpa from the Munsters.

 

[Dirtebiker]

That's his job! The VP is the attack dog, while the Prez remains cool and calm.

Ask anyone who's been in the military; the XO is the jerk, while the CO comes off looking calm and collected.

And the cackling liar is the calm one?

 

[jamil]

Kaine did that himself.

But it was made so much more obvious when Kaine is sitting next to the adult in the room. If they both behaved like Kaine, it'd be harder to tell the difference.

 

[Expat]

Matt and Savannah just had Pence on the Today Show. They were both falling all over each other trying to re prosecute the substance of all Kane's accusations. He did a good job (again) handling the DNC talking points.

 

[T.Lex]

Plus, and I personally find this dynamic very interesting, as noted upthread, Kaine was doing what VPs usually do. My Dem friends have been talking about Kaine for years, so I was passingly familiar with him before he got the VP draw. That "debate" wasn't his natural style. He can do it, clearly, when he has to.

But again, he played the VP debate to the norm. Pence, recognizing this is not the normal cycle, played it more straight. More presidential. And it worked.

It all reinforces the broader point that HRC will be the normal, traditional administration. Which is good or bad this cycle, depending on what voters want.

Either way, it was a solid victory for Pence, both this year and into the future.

 

[jamil]

Plus, and I personally find this dynamic very interesting, as noted upthread, Kaine was doing what VPs usually do. My Dem friends have been talking about Kaine for years, so I was passingly familiar with him before he got the VP draw. That "debate" wasn't his natural style. He can do it, clearly, when he has to.

But again, he played the VP debate to the norm. Pence, recognizing this is not the normal cycle, played it more straight. More presidential. And it worked.

It all reinforces the broader point that HRC will be the normal, traditional administration. Which is good or bad this cycle, depending on what voters want.

Either way, it was a solid victory for Pence, both this year and into the future.

I'll agree that it was more of an individual victory. But it was also at least some reassurance for #neverhillary voters who are very nervous about Trump. For example, I'm at least open to considering the strategy of voting for Trump and hope like hell he's impeached the moment the inauguration is over.

 

[T.Lex]

I'll agree that it was more of an individual victory. But it was also at least some reassurance for #neverhillary voters who are very nervous about Trump. For example, I'm at least open to considering the strategy of voting for Trump and hope like hell he's impeached the moment the inauguration is over.

I agree with that.

It served as a reminder that there would at least be a grownup in the room with Trump, even if he was ignored.

 

[jamil]

I agree with that.

It served as a reminder that there would at least be a grownup in the room with Trump, even if he was ignored.

Hopefully he doesn't make Pence stand in the corner like he made the fat ass pussbag do.

 

[foszoe]

I'll agree that it was more of an individual victory. But it was also at least some reassurance for #neverhillary voters who are very nervous about Trump. For example, I'm at least open to considering the strategy of voting for Trump and hope like hell he's impeached the moment the inauguration is over.

that would be awesome!

 

[Alpo]

I don't know how accurate this info is. I pulled it from WaPo comments:

538
Clinton 79.6%
Trump 20.4%

The Upshot
Clinton 82%
Trump 18%

Huff Post
Clinton 84.1 %
Trump 15.7%

Predictwise
Clinton 81%
Trump 19%

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Trump just appeared with Bill's alleged victims, and Willey, Broaddrick, Jones and Shelton will be in the debate audience tonight.

Think this will matter at all? Go after Hillary for the crimes of her Husband? Who will this appeal to? I think it's a very, very small group that cares.

Also doesn't help that Trump called these women ugly, unattractive, and a terrible group of people (back when he was defending the Clintons)

And you can bet Clinton is going to have a perfect counter to this.