Fiorina should be in this segment.
About half of these guys are like the drunk uncle you invite over for Thanksgiving and hope he doesn't embarrass himself like last year.
Don't know about Carson yet. But Pataki, Fiorina, Kasich and Rubio are doing fairly well for a first debate. Too many bodies. The GOP really needs to appear a little more cohesive with a prescreen on some of these candidates.