16 inch barredl Ar, and 55 grain hollow points, do some research, you should find that to be the gint you shoot and hit targets well with, provides you the fast time back to target in the event of a miss, and low probablity of overpenetration. and unlike buckshot, if you miss, you will only have one projectile peeding towards your kid, t.v. or neighbor is you mis.
Go with a Remington 870, and not a Mossberg, you will be much happier in the end.
WOW I can't believe you just compared buck shot to a 55gr .223 in a 16" barreled AR!!! And actually used the phrase over penetration to draw them together.
Ok here we go again. The Mossbergs are just as, if not more reliable then Remingtons. Also the safety on a Mossberg is better placed.
There's a reason that the military used Mossberg 500's for YEARS!Ok here we go again. The Mossbergs are just as, if not more reliable then Remingtons. Also the safety on a Mossberg is better placed.
And after finally handleing and shooting a mossberg 500, I really like the location of the saftey, the bolt release, and the way they load. I really like the win 1300, but I will never balk at a 500 again.
Well are my points valid? 30rounds> 8, semiauto >pump ( unless it malfs)
Chambering ANY firearm is going to make noise, an AR,AK, Shotgun are al loud and all noticable,
My point was that in many test, including some done by the FBI, whish I would have saved the links, many rounds under 60 grains coming out of an ar have less overpenetration then even 9mm.
I would be very interested to see this because this goes against my intuition and a lot of what I have read regarding rifle ammunition. A 9mm moves at anywhere from around 1000 to 1300 fps; a 55 grn. .223 round at 3000 fps - almost 3x the velocity. Velocity is the key to penetration, isn't it?
Anyway, sorry for the thread jack, back to your scheduled thread.
The Box O' Truth #14 - Rifles, Shotguns, and Walls - Page 4
Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo
looking for more but that is good reading to get started.