Okay, I'll break it down to each individual scenario.
You are carrying a handgun, openly, through WalMart. Someone calls in a MWAG, or an officer just happens to walk by you, doesn't matter in this instance. The officer then can initiate a stop, due to RAS that you are carrying a handgun, which in Indiana, is illegal unless certain criteria are met. The officer approaches you and asks for your LTCH/permit/however he words it. You then have one of two options, provide him with documentation that you are legally allowed to carry a handgun in the state of Indiana, or refuse. With the presentation of the documentation, the courts have ruled that all discussion regarding the handgun is over, IE no more RAS.
Yes, asking willfully stupid questions when the answers have already been provided multiple times by mulitple people qualifies as willfully stupid.
I have decided that this will be my interaction:
"yes, officer I do have a LTCH it is in my left rear pocket. Here it is and here is my DL. Nope, not offended at all since I am a responsible legally carrying person. I do appreciate you checking. Too many illegal carrying felons out there. Thanks again. Be safe!"
Conversation is over in 5 mins...no offended ....I go on my merry way.
I don't have anything to hide nor to prove. Not only that, a respectable conversation on friendly terms does more to convince others who are in ear shot, how legally responsible we are. Had I been at the convenient store getting coffee and my above conversation had happened, the store owner and othe patrons would hve seen the friendly result by the police giving some confidence and credibility to me for future visits to the store.
This has happened on several occasions (sans the LEO) but with store personnel who view me as friendly and respectble.
Again, nothing to hide nor to prove.
Those may have been his words but it has been apparent throughout this thread that it seems to be your sentiment. You seems to feel that an Indiana LEO is acting beyond his authority when an LTCH request is made. That simply is not the case. I will agree though that the instruction to "cover it up" has no legal basis and I would have no problem in taking issue with it.I think it is one in the same. For the second time the pound sand phase came from my neighbor who is a sheriff for the sane department. His words not mine
I would have thought this would have been the obvious answer.Carrying a handgun without a license.
No. It is lawful for LE to stop and ascertain the existence of an LTCH if a person is carrying a handgun because carrying a handgun is illegal. The LTCH is merely the citizen's defense against arrest/conviction. Which one you avoid depends on when you confirm your LTCH.so what your saying is if they arrest your for illegal carry and you have one they have unlawfully detained you. just because there is no grounds in court to make it unlawful to stop you doesnt mean it makes it ok to do so. this is the problem with govt in general they take liberties into their hands that do not belong to them. until we stand up for our right they will slowly fade away.
There is nothing to rule on. That's kind of the point. It is perfectly within the scope of LE's authority and power to ascertain if the individual carrying a handgun is doing so legally because carrying a handgun is illegal. The license is simply the defense. There is no overstepping boundaries here, no matter how much you dislike it.I'm not the one being dense. If the courts haven't ruled then they shouldn't is my point. Govt overstepping their boundaries and everyone is so ignorant of it and numb to it we don't even know it's happening anymore. This process of is loading rights started long ago.
Really, multiple times huh? I was citing specific case law and asking if it would have any relevance to or effect on Indiana's laws. Please show me where this was answered before and I will gladly apologize.
You mean handgun, not firearmI would have thought this would have been the obvious answer.
No. It is lawful for LE to stop and ascertain the existence of an LTCH if a person is carrying a firearm because carrying a firearm is illegal. The LTCH is merely the citizen's defense against arrest/conviction. Which one you avoid depends on when you confirm your LTCH.
There is nothing to rule on. That's kind of the point. It is perfectly within the scope of LE's authority and power to ascertain if the individual carrying a firearm is doing so legally because carrying a firearm is illegal. The license is simply the defense. There is no overstepping boundaries here, no matter how much you dislike it.
Howbout firegun? Handarm?You mean handgun, not firearm
I know you know that, but others could be confused.
Oh, yes. Thank you. A very important distinction.You mean handgun, not firearm
I know you know that, but others could be confused.
I've seen it said multiple times now in this thread.
Carying a firearm is NOT illegal.
Long gun, centerfire (or other cartridge) - legal, no license needed
Long gun muzzle loader - legal, no license needed
hand gun, muzzle loader - legal, no license needed
hand gun, cap n ball revolver- legal, no license needed
handgun, cartridge, pre 1899 - legal, no license needed
hand gun, cartridge made after 1899 - illegal, license needed
I carry semi open in this weather and without the license, Have not been stopped yet. When I am I do not plan on telling an officer to pound sand, but instead expect to show them I am legal under the exception provided in sec. 19 after he inspects the revolver.
But please let's stop saying "firearm" when we mean "modern cartidge handgun".
Correction. "Modern Cartridge" handgun.Well, carrying a firearm is illegal if that firearm is a handgun. It was a simple oversight, it's fixed. You can climb down now.
Where did "Go pound sand" first come from?
I think it is one in the same. For the second time the pound sand phase came from my neighbor who is a sheriff for the sane department. His words not mine