PA School Spied On Students Via School-Issued Laptop Webcams

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    Scutter01

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    http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html




    School used student laptop webcams to spy on them at school and home

    By Cory Doctorow at 11:49 PM February 17, 2010

    According to the filings in Blake J Robbins v Lower Merion School District (PA) et al, the laptops issued to high-school students in the well-heeled Philly suburb have webcams that can be covertly activated by the schools' administrators, who have used this facility to spy on students and even their families. The issue came to light when the Robbins's child was disciplined for "improper behavior in his home" and the Vice Principal used a photo taken by the webcam as evidence. The suit is a class action, brought on behalf of all students issued with these machines.
    If true, these allegations are about as creepy as they come. I don't know about you, but I often have the laptop in the room while I'm getting dressed, having private discussions with my family, and so on. The idea that a school district would not only spy on its students' clickstreams and emails (bad enough), but also use these machines as AV bugs is purely horrifying.
    Schools are in an absolute panic about kids divulging too much online, worried about pedos and marketers and embarrassing photos that will haunt you when you run for office or apply for a job in 10 years. They tell kids to treat their personal details as though they were precious.
    But when schools take that personal information, indiscriminately invading privacy (and, of course, punishing students who use proxies and other privacy tools to avoid official surveillance), they send a much more powerful message: your privacy is worthless and you shouldn't try to protect it.
     

    Joe Williams

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    Improper behavior in the home???

    Spy on my or my kids in MY house, then have the gall to discipline them for improper behavior in MY house, and you'll learn a whole new, and extra-legal, meaning for the term "improper behavior."
     

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    Okay now this is just scary.

    Edit: On a few minuts reflection, I don't want a class action suit over this. I want criminal charges.
     

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    Reading the comments on the reporting site, it sounds like this isn't as uncommon as you'd think, either. How can you not think that this might be a problem?! What the hell is the matter with the school administrations?

    Forget a class-action suit. I would be filing criminal charges against everyone who knew but didn't say anything.
     

    Joe Williams

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    Reading the comments on the reporting site, it sounds like this isn't as uncommon as you'd think, either. How can you not think that this might be a problem?! What the hell is the matter with the school administrations?

    Forget a class-action suit. I would be filing criminal charges against everyone who knew but didn't say anything.

    In PA, it is illegal to record a conversation without the other party's knowledge if there is a reasonable expectation of privacy or non-interception.

    Also of interest, PA has an "official oppression" law, which permits private citizens to file criminal complaints against government officials who violate the law, regardless of whether or not the cops want to do so. The DA is required by law to respond to such complaints within a certain time frame. Also, "official oppression" is, in and of itself, a criminal act.
     

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    In PA, it is illegal to record a conversation without the other party's knowledge if there is a reasonable expectation of privacy or non-interception.

    How about "conspiracy to create child porn"?

    Here's the full list of claims they're making:
    Electronic Communications Privacy Act - interception of communications
    Computer Fraud and Abuse Act - exceeding authorized access
    Stored Communication Act - more unauthorized access
    Civil Rights Act - Invasion of Privacy
    4th Amendment - Invasion of Privacy
    Pennsylvania Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance Act - wiretapping
    Pennsylvania common law (1) - Invasion of Privacy
    (1) footnote reads: "Should discovery disclose that the Defendants are in possession of images constituting child pornography [...] Plaintiffs will amend this Complaint to assert a cause of action thereunder."
     

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    As this site doesn't advocate, nor tolerate the advocacy of unlawful actions of any sort. As such, I won't expound upon my initial thoughts of the actions against the school administration if it would have been my child, my family, or my house.

    However, I'm fairly certain that I would be the topic of conversation in my community the next day.

    I'm fairly sure that no jury would convict me either.:twocents:

    I'm fairly certain that you have a lot more faith in juries than I do.
     

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    In PA, it is illegal to record a conversation without the other party's knowledge if there is a reasonable expectation of privacy or non-interception.

    My first thought as well. Next is voyeurism (a sex crime - possibly with a minor), and I am sure there are newer computer crimes on the books as well. Time to seize any and all hardware associated with this program, and subpoena all persons who had access to the system.

    How on earth did a school system think this was a good idea?
     

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    Just remember in business this would be perfectly legal. Maybe not in a school unless the paperwork to pick up the laptop addressed the issue either directly or indirectly.

    If you think this is bad you should see what can be done to a unprotected cell phone.
     
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    Everyone from government on down is trying to eliminate expectation of privacy so that they can use existing legal precedent to justify these egregious violations.

    E.g.; privacy may only be had where it is reasonably expected - if you're so used to people eavesdropping that you no longer expect privacy, then they will claim that you no longer are entitled to it.

    The intrusive hand of the State is not yet done with us.
     

    Joe Williams

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    Just remember in business this would be perfectly legal. Maybe not in a school unless the paperwork to pick up the laptop addressed the issue either directly or indirectly.

    If you think this is bad you should see what can be done to a unprotected cell phone.

    But, they weren't in a business, or a school.

    They were in their home.
     

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    The thing I find most concerning is the sheer number of people who had to be involved and not a single one of them stopped to say "Hmm, this isn't right..."
     
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