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  • melensdad

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    Wal Mart will now be keeping tighter records on gun buyers than states are allowed to keep. And tell me please, how will Wal Mart track criminal activity? They plan to do that too. Seems to me that Wal Mart is now a retail store working for the ATF.

    Wal-Mart Raises Controls on Gun Sales

    Wal-Mart Raises Controls on Gun Sales - AOL Money & Finance
    By DEVLIN BARRETT, AP
    Posted: 2008-04-14 18:29:58
    WASHINGTON (April 14) - Wal-Mart , the nation's largest seller of firearms, announced Monday it will toughen rules for gun sales, from storing video of purchases to creating an internal log of which guns they sell that are later used in crimes.

    Top retailer Wal-Mart, the nation's largest seller of firearms, has agreed to implement tighter standards on gun sales, sought by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns.

    J.P. Suarez, the chief compliance officer for Wal-Mart Stores Inc., appeared with outspoken gun control advocate Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York to announce the changes at a gathering of Bloomberg's group Mayors Against Illegal Guns.

    Changes to come at about 1,100 Wal-Mart stores selling guns include:

    · Creating a record and alert system to record when a gun sold at Wal-Mart is later used in a crime. If the purchaser of that gun later tries to buy another gun at Wal-Mart, the system would alert the sales clerk of the prior buy and could refuse to make the sale.

    · Retaining the recorded images of gun sales in case law enforcement wants to view them later as part of an investigation.

    · Expanding background checks of employees who handle guns and expanding inventory controls.

    Suarez said the tougher standards will come with some additional cost to the company.

    "The costs are we think part of what it takes to be responsible. Everything is not pain free," he said, adding that small sellers can implement many of the same rules. He did not say how long it would take to implement all the changes, but noted that software must still be created for an internal log of guns later used in crimes.

    Suarez said his company may receive some pressure from gun rights groups, but added, "This is not a signal that we're getting out of firearms."

    Bloomberg urged other companies to join Wal-Mart in the initiative called the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership.

    "We didn't pressure them, they're doing it because they think it's the responsible thing to do," said Bloomberg.

    Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer, had previously tried to establish a store in New York City but failed.

    The mayors' gun summit also unveiled a new lobbying effort to close what they call the "gun show loophole" that allows people to purchase guns without background checks at gun shows.

    Bloomberg founded the group two years ago with Boston mayor Thomas Menino to reduce the flow of guns from store displays into the hands of criminals.

    The group, largely funded by Bloomberg's personal fortune, announced it was spending more than $100,000 on television ads starting Wednesday featuring all three of the current main presidential candidates voicing their opposition to the gun show loophole.

    The ads will run in the home states of the three presidential candidates - John McCain of Arizona, Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois. It also will air across Pennsylvania, which holds its primary next week, as well as Florida, Maryland and Massachusetts.

    The mayors group is trying to gather support in Congress to:

    · End the gun show loophole.

    · Require gun dealers to perform criminal background checks on all gun-handling employees.

    · Close a so-called fire-sale loophole that allows gun dealers whose licenses have been revoked by the government to sell off their inventory without background checks.

    · Add those placed on the terrorist no-fly list to the list of people prohibited from purchasing a firearm.



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    There are going to be some hilarious responses to this thread.

    "Add those placed on the terrorist no-fly list to the list of people prohibited from purchasing a firearm. "

    This is so wrong it's not even funny. Half the no-fly list is wrong anyways and states don't update the NICS database especially for involuntarily committed mental patients. How about Bloomberg ponies up some of his personal fortune to help assist states with proper enforcement of the laws as they are now?
     

    bwframe

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    Bloomberg, Walmart, ya had to see it comming! Both are pretty much turncoats in their own ways. Wouldn't trust either as far as I could throw them.
     

    BloodEclipse

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    This was my email

    I have in the past year purchased 3 firearms from your company with plans to purchase more. I have just read where your corporate policy will now record transactions and apply tougher standards on gun sales than the state requires. Your caving to pressure from Mayor Bloomberg is just plain sad. Now you are going to incur more costs to maintain these tougher standards and who will pay for them? I know the answer... your customers. Normally Wal-Mart does everything it can to bring lower prices to its customers but this move is just appeasement. When you grow a spine maybe I will again consider Your stores for a firearm purchase but in the meantime my dollars will go elsewhere.
     

    melensdad

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    Also there is no gun show loophole, when will you understand that, media?

    States like Illinois require ALL transfers to be processed through a dealer, that included a grandparent giving a heirloom gun to a grandchild. States like Indiana do not. It is the 'private' transfer that exists in a majority of the states that is considered the "gun show loophole." Of course the majority of the states don't actually consider that a loophole. Most of us consider it common sense.

    I shoot with my 13 year old. She 'owns' two rifles of her own. Technically they must reside in my safe, she can never have access to them without adult supervision, and I actually 'own' them, but we both know they are 'her' guns. At age 18 they will legally be her guns. According to mayor Bloomberg, the media and the Brady crew, in order to 'give' her the guns I will have to take them to a dealer, she will have to go with me, I will then have to give the guns to the dealer, he will have to perform the background check, she will then pay the dealer for the background check, and she can take the guns home.
     

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    "· Creating a record and alert system to record when a gun sold at Wal-Mart is later used in a crime. If the purchaser of that gun later tries to buy another gun at Wal-Mart, the system would alert the sales clerk of the prior buy and could refuse to make the sale. "

    So who is going to create and maintain this database? Also where are they going to get their data? Are they going to call NICS for every transaction?
    :runaway:
     

    jimbo-indy

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    I just sent off a comment to WalMart explaining how their policy was flawed and that I would no longer be a customer at their stores for anything. Also explained how they are following Bloomberg, who has already had his hand slapped for his "straw purchases" in Virginia. Enforce the existing laws and keep the criminals off the streets and crime will go down. Thanks to the new Indy mayor and staff for the recent crackdown on outstanding warrants. They have picked up more in the last week than the previous administration did in a year.
     

    bwframe

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    It's not a loophole in the law at all, so it shouldn't be called that.

    It's all for spin, soundbites, talking points, whatever you wanna call supposed legit lying. Bill Clinton and his bunch popularized this technique. I'm sure you remember tax cuts that had to be "paid for," not to mention "assault weapons."
     

    cougar_guy04

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    States like Illinois require ALL transfers to be processed through a dealer, that included a grandparent giving a heirloom gun to a grandchild.
    Not quite. There can be private transfers in Illinois, the 24 or 72 hour waiting period must be observed though and the person selling the gun must keep records of the transfer for 10 years.
     
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    It's all for spin, soundbites, talking points, whatever you wanna call supposed legit lying. Bill Clinton and his bunch popularized this technique. I'm sure you remember tax cuts that had to be "paid for," not to mention "assault weapons."

    I know how spin works, i've lived many more places besides Indiana. ;)

    I kind of really really don't like Josh Sugarmann.
     

    skigun75

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    Cougar -- When did RHIT form a gun club? I wouldn't have left after a quarter if they had that when I was there. And maybe if there were some girls. And maybe if it wasn't in Terre Haute. Well, anyway.
     

    cougar_guy04

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    Cougar -- When did RHIT form a gun club? I wouldn't have left after a quarter if they had that when I was there. And maybe if there were some girls. And maybe if it wasn't in Terre Haute. Well, anyway.
    In its current incarnation, around 1989/1990 from what I've been told by OMAR (it's really taken off in popularity in the last few years). If you're ever down around the area during one of our shoots, come on by and you can see whatcha missed out on. :)
     
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    I sent my email today.

    To whom it may concern:
    I have been a life long customer of Walmart. I have been shopping in your stores since I was old enough to hold my own money and hand it to the cashier myself. Recently, I had caught wind of your company implementing policy that would track firearms sales in a manner that is much more stringent than what the ATF requires. I had also read that it would be used to track firearms sales if they were purchased at one of your stores and used in crimes at a later date. All of this was at the "suggestion" of noted Anti-Gun Lobbyist and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg. I say "suggestion", as it was noted in the article that there were no Wal-Mart Stores in the New York Area.

    Now, as far as I and my money are concerned, I simply see this as a way to track honest people and one more step to total gun control, and it seems that one of the largest retailers in the United States, if not the world is facilitating it. Now, Wal-Mart claims to be an All-American company, however I am seeing tinges of facism and socialism. I guess Wal-Mart is above Constitutional ideology... and that's a pity. People shouldn't have to worry about being under a radar for simply shopping at your stores. Seems as though my money is going to be spent elsewhere.
    Regards,
    SPC. Nick Osborne
     
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    Sorry guys, but unless they see a significant financial impact from gun-owners legitimately boycotting their locations, they won't care.
     
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