Violent Crime DECREASES in Ohio DESPITE Concealed Carry Law

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  • melensdad

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    Yup that is the newspaper headline. DESPITE concealed carry law. No bias there. OK, I'll admit it, the author was being a bit sarcastic with that title. And for good reason!!!

    Violent crime has decreased in Ohio despite concealed carry law
    www.newarkadvocate.com | Printer-friendly article page
    BY SEAN MALONEY
    Local Column

    I read with interest articles pertaining to the commonsense piece of legislation Senate Bill 239, which will allow responsible law-abiding citizens with concealed carry permits to protect themselves while in a restaurant that serves alcohol, if the person also chooses not to consume alcohol. The bill also defines a new commonsense approach concerning how to carry your means of self protection in your car.

    Then, unexpectedly, out came the old scare tactics from Mark Drum, legislative chairman for the Ohio Fraternal Order of Police, who said because of the bill, "they (drivers) can twirl the gun in their fingers while they're driving down the highway." I am hopeful Mark Drum understands that the Ohio concealed carry permit holder is far more responsible than he is. If you remember, those same reckless, biased statements were used to try and keep Ohioans from exercising their God-given right to self protection, when concealed carry in Ohio was first introduced. Drum's scare tactics, and baseless predictions of blood running down Ohio streets, didn't prove to be true. In fact, since concealed carry went into affect, Ohio doesn't have the shootouts; the rage-induced gun battles along Ohio's highways; the accidental shootings; and the return to "Dodge City" -- all predicted by Drum and others like him in their opposition to concealed carry in Ohio.

    Factually, FBI statistics show violent crime has decreased in Ohio for the third straight year. Yes, that's right -- crime decreased in spite of predictions by the media, politically-motivated law enforcement groups and anti-gun extremists, who claimed that permissive self-defense laws would lead to the end of civilized society as we know it.

    Preliminary data from the FBI's Uniform Crime Report shows that the violent crime rate went down 5.5 percent in 2009, compared to statistics from 2008. This covers all four categories of violent crime: murder, robbery, aggravated assault and forcible rape. Violent crime went down 4 percent in metropolitan counties and 3 percent elsewhere, according to the FBI.

    It's time that Mark Drum, and others like him, begin to admit that those of us who take the time to go through the required 12 hours of training; police background check; and other processes to obtain our concealed carry permits, or any law-abiding citizen for that matter, are more responsible than they are, as evidenced by Drum's reckless comments. Drum knows, based upon FBI statistics, that his statements in opposition to concealed carry in Ohio, both then and now, are false. I cannot understand the logic of rejecting the background-checked concealed handgun license-holder from your business, while virtually inviting the criminal element to "come in, sit down, we created a defenseless zone just for you." Didn't the tragedies at Fort Hood, Virginia Tech and the many examples of where every bad guy with a gun is stopped by a good guy with a gun teach Mark Drum anything?

    All of the states adjoining Ohio permit the concealed carry license holder to carry into establishments serving alcohol. What do these adjoining states know that Mark Drum doesn't? Not a thing, they understand, and are not afraid to admit that the threat of a concealed carry permit holder is more of a deterrent to the bad guy with a gun than the threat of dialing 911, the police officer five minutes away or the police officer at home, laid off because of budget constraints.

    After walking the courthouses in many of Ohio's counties and watching the open disrespect the criminal element treats our judges, court personnel and police officers with, I welcome an armed concealed carry permit holder at the table beside me while my family and I dine out.​
     

    JohnP82

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    Big surprise! :rolleyes:
    Let people defend themselves and crime will go down, seems pretty simple to me.
    Thanks for sharing the article:yesway:
     
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    MrsGungho

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    This is a great article. However the ones who need to read and learn from it, won't.
    All the statistics in the world aren't going to make a difference to those who oppose guns. :dunno:
     

    b0r0b

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    This is a great article. However the ones who need to read and learn from it, won't.
    All the statistics in the world aren't going to make a difference to those who oppose guns. :dunno:

    ^This. Ignorance is ignorance. This may sound terrible, but I don't honestly care:

    The MAIN people in the world that oppose guns need to have something completely TERRIFYING happen to them..ohhhh wait.."big" people who oppose guns have body guards and 9 miles of 20 ft high walls in front of their houses and cameras surrounding the property.

    Let's get one solid thing straight, live ONE WEEK where I was brought up, and you'll be singing the 2A creed. Don't talk **** and tell me guns do nothing for american citizens when you live in $3~Mil suburbia. Sentences are harsher when the act is carried out on someone "important", so you already have immunity to most criminals. Of course YOU don't need a weapon. You're 5x more likely to be struck by lightning than being shot by a thug as a Senator or any other official.

    Fact of the matter is, NOT A SINGLE ONE of the Supreme court justices will be the victim of a direct violent crime that would typically call for the use of self defense, therefore, I don't feel they should have the right to strip me of mine.

    and this is a FACT. I will wage my terrible retirement that in my lifetime, nothing will happen to a Supreme court justice. Period.
     
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    downzero

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    Is it a surprise that newspapers have a "bias"?

    Once upon a time, newspapers actually called themselves things like the, "Daily Republican." The difference is that the spin is more hidden now.
     

    Joe Williams

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    ^This. Ignorance is ignorance.
    snip.

    It isn't ignorance. Gun controllers know the truth. They simply do not care about it. Gun control has nothing to do with crime, and everything to do with power. Gun controllers are evil, unbalanced people who seek power over their fellow man.
     

    b0r0b

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    It isn't ignorance. Gun controllers know the truth. They simply do not care about it. Gun control has nothing to do with crime, and everything to do with power. Gun controllers are evil, unbalanced people who seek power over their fellow man.

    It isn't ignorance? what? yes it is..

    You say they know the truth, and i couldn't disagree more. The people who want "gun control" were brought up and brainwashed in picket fence families where NOTHING goes wrong on the planet in which they live. When you live in a neighborhood where not a single one of the homes are under $5mil and there isn't a project or a liquor store in site..you BELIEVE that everything is fine.

    So you just shrug your shoulder at all the bad that happens in the United States and say "fluke, fluke, fluke" everytime something legitimately happens that would have warranted the use of deadly force. It's not some trick question or a riddle..these same people listen to REAL factual stories from people with beating hearts and curl their lips and shuffle in disgust. They DON'T know.

    It's not a game of "oh look I can take guns away from americans"..I will guarantee you ONE thing: There will be a revolution in this country should we lose 2A. and if there isn't one, I will be moving to another country..possibly England, atleast there I'll be at peace with all the nonsense.
     

    rmabrey

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    It isn't ignorance? what? yes it is..

    You say they know the truth, and i couldn't disagree more. The people who want "gun control" were brought up and brainwashed in picket fence families where NOTHING goes wrong on the planet in which they live. When you live in a neighborhood where not a single one of the homes are under $5mil and there isn't a project or a liquor store in site..you BELIEVE that everything is fine.

    So you just shrug your shoulder at all the bad that happens in the United States and say "fluke, fluke, fluke" everytime something legitimately happens that would have warranted the use of deadly force. It's not some trick question or a riddle..these same people listen to REAL factual stories from people with beating hearts and curl their lips and shuffle in disgust. They DON'T know.

    It's not a game of "oh look I can take guns away from americans"..I will guarantee you ONE thing: There will be a revolution in this country should we lose 2A. and if there isn't one, I will be moving to another country..possibly England, atleast there I'll be at peace with all the nonsense.
    :mods: they dont like civil war talk. Just a heads up
     
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