Veteran or Vetran

[Que]

I never hear anyone pronounce the "er" in the word in this area. It's just something that drives me crazy, but I may be wrong. What do you think about it?

 

[femurphy77]

er

 

[goldtrigger]

I'm with you. we is the way to go.

 

[actaeon277]

I never hear anyone pronounce the "er" in the word in this area. It's just something that drives me crazy, but I may be wrong. What do you think about it?

Dialect.
You moved. Now you have to learn the dialect.

 

[Informed Decision]

I use both depending who I'm working with. In my position at the blue roof store, we honor vets by giving them 10% off, and I always ask my customers to make sure any vets I work with get the discount . I will usually ask if they're a "vetran" but if the don't hear or understand , I revert to proper english . I say call 'em what you want but it with the honor they deserve.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I spell it the first way and say it the second way. I'm a hilljack and have to concentrate to tawk rite anyways.

 

[Alpo]

Back where you are, they dropped the e in veteran and added a u to nuclear. Example: I wuz a machinist's mate on a nucular sub. Now I'm a vetran.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Back where you are, they dropped the e in veteran and added a u to nuclear. Example: I wuz a machinist's mate on a nucular sub. Now I'm a vetran.

nuke-lure. Maybe nuke-loor. Spelling hilljack is hard.

 

[indiucky]

I spell it the first way and say it the second way. I'm a hilljack and have to concentrate to tawk rite anyways.

Yep...Me too....It's dialect Que....I would say from Seymour on down in Indiana it's pronounced vetren as well...When I worked in Greenwood and commuted every day one of my secretaries said, "How can we even be from the same State? You sound like a flipping Hillbilly..."

You may also notice Que that folks don't "borrow" things there...They "Bar-ee" them....

 

[indiucky]

nuke-lure. Maybe nuke-loor. Spelling hilljack is hard.

Harleyrider is good at it...I never have a problem translating for him...

 

[KellyinAvon]

I spell it the first way and say it the second way. I'm a hilljack and have to concentrate to tawk rite anyways.

Hilljack? Is that what you do when you overthrow the king of the mountain?

 

[KellyinAvon]

I leave a syllable out, vetrun is about right.

 

[indiucky]

Hilljack? Is that what you do when you overthrow the king of the mountain?

Kentucky-Hillbilly
Southern Indiana-Hilljack
Southern Ohio-Briar


Southern Indiana dialect is referred to as the "Hoosier Apex"...I'll post a chart....

he Hoosier Apex (as seen in Figure in map above) is one that astonishes linguists. It is located in the southern/central west part of Indiana and a sliver of the south eastern part of Illinois and what it is is that it suddenly sounds like you just crossed into the state of Alabama. The Hoosier Apex is an example of the South Midland dialect; but it goes beyond that even to where it is almost just like a Southern dialect in itself. There have even been recent discussions about how there is even a Hoosier dialect in itself, taking on a Southern drawl and speaking slowly (Herring, 244). It also occurs to me that once when I was in class a peer student of mine had that when he visits other parts of Indiana they always want to know where it is he is from because he speaks a lot more southern than most anyone else in Indiana, and it just may be because he lives in this apex. I have also noticed that people from Indiana generally pick up a southern accent very easily. A phonological thing Herring points out that happens in the apex is that when someone says greasy the s turns into a z sound, like “greazy” (243).

Albert Mackwardt has been credited with coming up with the name Hoosier Apex. The name itself is not
anything of significance it is just a clever name, a lot like the word Hoosier. No one really knows how the word Hoosier came about. There have been stories. That I am sure most all Hoosiers have heard but who really knows if any of them are true and if they are which one. Craig M. Carver says that he believes that the Hoosier Apex may be from the early migration of Southerners and they may
have moved over the Ohio River north into Indiana more than they did other northern states (Herring 244). In the beginning when the migration took place Herring said that the most of them would not have called themselves or thought of themselves as “Midwesterners”, especially since that term was not around until later, but they also did not see themselves as Southerners either (246).
[h=3]History and Geography[/h]

Indianapolis has a wide variety of words that have come from the eastern midland section of the United States by travelers heading west past Indiana. With this knowledge, we can conclude that Indianapolis is a central area with a wide variety of different dialects from parts across the United States. Much of Indianapolis has a wide variety of languages and dialects, which has resulted in a very culturally diverse metropolis. With so many different dialects in the same city, some may find it difficult to understand what the dialect of Indianapolis sounds like, since there are so many different languages spread throughout it. Rest assured; the area does have a distinct majority dialect that is recognizable and respectable. In fact, we’re going to tell you about the history of the city’s dialect and where it geographically lies.

Settlers
Speech and dialect patterns in the Indianapolis area were developed by a mixture of northern and southern people who had migrated to the area. Upon the arrival of the North and South in Indianapolis, there was much conflict among which side would claim the name of the areas dialect the north or the south. Many characteristics define the way people from Indianapolis speak, it is not easy to distinguish specific southern or northern characteristics alone. However, there are three things that a native from Indianapolis should possess. First, a study by the University of Pennsylvania that said the north and south natives from Indianapolis do have one thing in common. There are specific up gliding vowels that stand out among natives from Indianapolis. Second, certain low back vowels such as the ones in caught and cot are neither the same nor pronounced differently, which has created transitional merger. No specific group or area could change the dialect that had developed when the north and south had settled there, not even the biggest ethnic populations that would eventually inhabit the area in times to come. However, when a large foreign ethnic population is condensed into a small neighborhood in the suburbs Indianapolis, the area tends to develop a dialect among its own small neighborhood, but it unable to gain enough support to overcome what the natives had embedded in the dialect over time. The ethnic group’s linguistics that emerged over time didn’t last, because their population was nowhere near as large as the settlers from the north and south combined.

Geography
Indianapolis geographically lies in the Midland dialect region of the United States. Major cities in the Midland region include Chicago, Indianapolis, Columbus, and Cincinnati. The Midland region is very large in comparison to the dialect regions across the eastern seaboard. It is said commonly to extend from the Appalachian Mountains westward towards the Midwest. However, there are two additional subdivisions of the Midland dialect, the North and South Midland dialectal areas. The southern dialect area is the area that had a large impact on the settlement of speech patterns of Indianapolis.

South
The south had such a large impact on the settlement of the Indianapolis dialect because this would extend the boundary on what was considered North Midland or South midland. The South midland area covered almost all of southern Indiana and further south, but Indianapolis was mostly overcome by the dialect of the North. Many linguists have concluded that the Northern Midland is the region in which mostly resembles the “General American” dialect. Today, Indianapolis is located in the North Midland subdivision of the Midland, as the south was unable to successfully plant their southern draw into the Indianapolis culture.

North
With the North Midland area having a much more urban background with cities such as Columbus, Indianapolis, and Cincinnati, it is not surprising that the dialect of the South Midland region didn’t grow in Indianapolis as much as the North Midland dialect did. However, Southern Indiana was so influenced by the Southern Midland dialect; the area was given the name the “Hoosier Apex” of southern Indiana.

The Hoosier Apex
Something Joe found over the course of his research is an odd phenomenon called the “Hoosier Apex”. Basically, when the borders that separate dialects in the United States were drawn, they were based on a mythical line called the Mason-Dixon Line. You can read more about it here: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason_dixon_line). The Hoosier Apex is an odd anomaly where the Mason-Dixon Line, appropriate for all the other borders, no longer applies.

Raising just above Evansville in the extreme south of Indiana and then making a sudden appearance in the middle of the state, the Hoosier Apex marks an intrusion into Indiana of the South Midland dialect, otherwise known as the generic southern accent. It’s not a perfect intrusion – the areas that are in the Hoosier Apex still maintain fragments of the accent that surrounds the rest of Indiana – but it is markedly different. Indianapolis itself is weird because the Southern Midland dialect reaches a stopping point right after Evansville, but then reappears as an island in the heart of Indy. Marion County (where most of Indianapolis is) and the surrounding counties are all affected by it. It’s easiest to see here in this chart about
soda vs. pop created by a student and professor at East Central University in Oklahoma:

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[KellyinAvon]

Kentucky-Hillbilly
Southern Indiana-Hilljack
Southern Ohio-Briar


Southern Indiana dialect is referred to as the "Hoosier Apex"...I'll post a chart....

he Hoosier Apex (as seen in Figure in map above) is one that astonishes linguists. It is located in the southern/central west part of Indiana and a sliver of the south eastern part of Illinois and what it is is that it suddenly sounds like you just crossed into the state of Alabama. The Hoosier Apex is an example of the South Midland dialect; but it goes beyond that even to where it is almost just like a Southern dialect in itself. There have even been recent discussions about how there is even a Hoosier dialect in itself, taking on a Southern drawl and speaking slowly (Herring, 244). It also occurs to me that once when I was in class a peer student of mine had that when he visits other parts of Indiana they always want to know where it is he is from because he speaks a lot more southern than most anyone else in Indiana, and it just may be because he lives in this apex. I have also noticed that people from Indiana generally pick up a southern accent very easily. A phonological thing Herring points out that happens in the apex is that when someone says greasy the s turns into a z sound, like “greazy” (243).

Albert Mackwardt has been credited with coming up with the name Hoosier Apex. The name itself is not
anything of significance it is just a clever name, a lot like the word Hoosier. No one really knows how the word Hoosier came about. There have been stories. That I am sure most all Hoosiers have heard but who really knows if any of them are true and if they are which one. Craig M. Carver says that he believes that the Hoosier Apex may be from the early migration of Southerners and they may
have moved over the Ohio River north into Indiana more than they did other northern states (Herring 244). In the beginning when the migration took place Herring said that the most of them would not have called themselves or thought of themselves as “Midwesterners”, especially since that term was not around until later, but they also did not see themselves as Southerners either (246).

I grew up NW of Salem. I have to say I never heard the term until I moved to Avon. We were just "country".

 

[indiucky]

I grew up NW of Salem. I have to say I never heard the term until I moved to Avon. We were just "country".

A linguist came up with the term...Being as how you are from Southern Indiana as well I am sure you thought, (as did I) that a "Linguist" is a cook of Italian food...Not true...

"Pardon me ma'am....My sketti ain't done...Can you take it back to the linguist and have him cook it up some more?"

 

[femurphy77]

And on a separate but similar note we all know the correct terminology is coke! It's not pop, soda or "other"!

 

[JettaKnight]

My answer is none of your bidness.

 

[JettaKnight]

And on a separate but similar note we all know the correct terminology is coke! It's not pop, soda or "other"!

Only if you're referring to this:

 

[rvb]

perhaps....
It's veteran if you're from America.
It's vetran if you're from 'Merica. (both of these, but especially the later, are like fingernails on a chalkboard to me...).

(and it's "pop" !!!!!!!!!!)

-rvb

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Southern indiana is where homeless R's go to live. We have warshing machines. Sometimes on the front porch, and you can see it through the winder. Pitcher winder, if you're big time.