University & College Carry?

[Indy38]

I have all the proper paperwork to carry legally and spend a good deal of time on various college & university campuses around the state (nothing shady, just part of my job).

I have been looking into what the laws are on CC on college campuses but can't seem to find a concrete answer. Some say its legal, some that its up to the institution and some that its not legal as they fall under the 'school' definition of the CC laws.

Can someone clarify for me or is this one of those huge grey areas?

Thanks,
Hank

 

[Hammerhead]

No gray area at all. Perfectly legal. They do not fall under the definition of a school in the IC. They may have "rules" and "policies" that are only enforceable on the students or faculty.

Carry at will.

There is a bill going before the state senate that is attempting to knock out those "rules" and "policies" that are currently on the books.

Also, there is no CC laws in IN, as you are free to CC or OC anywhere you are legally allowed to carry.

 

[wolfts01]

This^^

They only have power over us students and the faculty, but hopefully not for long. I personally don't understand how they get gobs of government money and are somehow not public property.

Concealed means concealed, though. The worst that could happen to you is that you get kicked off of their property. I'm sure they will try to do much more, but it will be to their peril.

 

[Indy317]

No gray area at all. Perfectly legal. They do not fall under the definition of a school in the IC. They may have "rules" and "policies" that are only enforceable on the students or faculty.

The rules and policies are enforceable on visitors to the property. You will likely be asked to leave the property and/or secure your weapon off the property or at the campus PD (depends on the university). The new law may apply, but the language in the IC doesn't specifically state colleges/universities.

 

[J_Wales]

Concealed means concealed.

 

[rockhopper46038]

The rules and policies are enforceable on visitors to the property. You will likely be asked to leave the property and/or secure your weapon off the property or at the campus PD (depends on the university). The new law may apply, but the language in the IC doesn't specifically state colleges/universities.

So we don't confuse the OP, the "rules" and "policies" being spoken of are ones that could have a student disciplined or expelled, or an employee disciplined or fired. If you are not a student or an employee of the college or institution their "rules" and "policies" effectively do not apply...however, at the moment you can be asked to leave, and if you do not comply you may face trespassing charges, just as if you were asked to leave by a private business. So "enforceable" means different things as it applies to a non-student or employee. They hold no power to penalize you, other than preventing you from enjoying their company. As stated, concealed in this circumstance means concealed.

 

[bikeman]

As others have noted you will be asked to leave the campus if it is not allowed on that particular campus. You might contact the campuses you will be visiting to see what their policies are.

 

[canav844]

No gray area at all. Perfectly legal. They do not fall under the definition of a school in the IC. They may have "rules" and "policies" that are only enforceable on the students or faculty.

Carry at will.

There is a bill going before the state senate that is attempting to knock out those "rules" and "policies" that are currently on the books.

Also, there is no CC laws in IN, as you are free to CC or OC anywhere you are legally allowed to carry.

Ivy Tech offers high school classes, they qualify as a school; campuses and/or buildings with onsite state licensed daycare may qualify as a school, but no test case has cleared if it is the whole property, building or area the daycare is limited to, however the way the code reads it would be all property being school grounds.

The legislation proposed does NOTHING to solve the issue of carrying on Ivy Tech Campuses, or campuses with daycares (I know Purdue situation has been raised on INGO several times, but I am not familiar with the campus); so while not addressing the law that make it a felony to carry on campus it's going to stop policy preventing it.

Depending upon which campuses you go to you may be in bery hot water very fast as even securing it in your vehicle while on "school grounds" is a felony, unless you are in the car dropping someone else off or picking them up.

IC 35-41-1-24.3
"School bus"
Sec. 24.3. "School bus" means any motor vehicle designed and constructed for the accommodation of more than ten (10) passengers, which is used for the transportation of Indiana school children.
As added by P.L.296-1987, SEC.3.
IC 35-41-1-24.7
"School property"
Sec. 24.7. "School property" means the following:
(1) A building or other structure owned or rented by:
(A) a school corporation;
(B) an entity that is required to be licensed under IC 12-17.2 or IC 31-27;
(C) a private school that is not supported and maintained by funds realized from the imposition of a tax on property, income, or sales; or
(D) a federal, state, local, or nonprofit program or service operated to serve, assist, or otherwise benefit children who are at least three (3) years of age and not yet enrolled in kindergarten, including the following:
(i) A Head Start program under 42 U.S.C. 9831 et seq.
(ii) A special education preschool program.
(iii) A developmental child care program for preschool children.
(2) The grounds adjacent to and owned or rented in common with a building or other structure described in subdivision (1).
As added by P.L.296-1987, SEC.4. Amended by P.L.34-1991, SEC.27; P.L.9-1991, SEC.95; P.L.2-1992, SEC.880; P.L.81-1992, SEC.38; P.L.1-1993, SEC.240; P.L.160-1994, SEC.1; P.L.1-2005, SEC.227; P.L.145-2006, SEC.370.

Information Maintained by the Office of Code Revision Indiana Legislative Services Agency
IC 35-47-9
Chapter 9. Possession of Firearms on School Property and School Buses
IC 35-47-9-0.1
Application of chapter
Sec. 0.1. The addition of this chapter by P.L.140-1994 applies to crimes committed after June 30, 1994.
As added by P.L.220-2011, SEC.624.

IC 35-47-9-1
Exemptions from chapter
Sec. 1. This chapter does not apply to the following:
(1) A:
(A) federal;
(B) state; or
(C) local;
law enforcement officer.
(2) A person who has been employed or authorized by:
(A) a school; or
(B) another person who owns or operates property being used by a school for a school function;
to act as a security guard, perform or participate in a school function, or participate in any other activity authorized by a school.
(3) A person who:
(A) may legally possess a firearm; and
(B) possesses the firearm in a motor vehicle that is being operated by the person to transport another person to or from a school or a school function.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.11.

IC 35-47-9-2
Possession of firearms on school property, at school function, or on school bus; felony
Sec. 2. A person who possesses a firearm:
(1) in or on school property;
(2) in or on property that is being used by a school for a school function; or
(3) on a school bus;
commits a Class D felony.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.11.

 

[Hammerhead]

I don't know that Ivy Tech qualifies as a school. Yes, they may offer high school courses, but they are a state owned/funded junior college. There's nothing in the IC that says you can't carry around high school students. Does a school corporation rent classroom space from Ivy Tech, or are they simply offering a place for high school students to take courses, say for home school students or GED classes? Or do they simply have a deal worked out with certain school corporations to offer dual college/high school credit courses?

My guess is that it's a community college that has high schoolers that use the classrooms and not a community college that is also a high school.

Yes, they may have daycare and that might be an issue.