Trump on Suppressors: “I don’t like them at all.”

[ArcadiaGP]

So, anyone who votes for trump again is, according to you, ignorant?

Are you quoting the right person? Where did he say "ignorant", or even imply what you're saying?

 

[d.kaufman]

Im thinking he must be confused as i definitely nowhere mentioned ignorance in my post

 

[NKBJ]

To vote for Trump...
All you have to do is look at the alternatives and get stampeded into voting for Trump.
That's why when wearing my
TRUMP 2016
KISS MY TRUMP
tee shirts on business trips around the country all I got was smiles and yes nods.

 

[Ggreen]

Simply put: a freedom loving person should never vote for someone who uses pen and phone rules to subvert constitutional rights. Cross that line, lose my vote. Across the board period. Hold elected officials accountable by not reelcting them. There is always someone better.

Americans are weak minded sheeple anymore, who parrot talking points of their chosen entertainment news sources, and give in to the fear mongering of the ruling class. From revolution to serfdom in record time.

 

[BugI02]

When every disagreement here devolves into "So you support socialists/hillary/etc"... there's no actual conversation going on.

Disagreement and criticism does not equate to support of the opposite. Good lord feels like 2016 here again.

The problem is that the 'conversation' you and the other Trump criticism opportunists are looking for is like the 'conversation' that gun control/confiscationists want - where we agree in advance that Trump is an awful meany who embarrasses all right thinking individuals and needs to be removed from office

From that starting point, you're willing to discuss just how bad he is and how soon he needs to be removed

Not happening. BTDT

 

[BugI02]

No one is saying that Clinton wouldn't have gone after the 2A. I'm fairly certain she would have, just like Obama. However, as with the function of opposing parties, she would've been stopped dead in her tracks by the GOP. The same GOP that is reluctant to do the same to the current president, because it's "their guy."
There's no way you could ever convince me, that if Clinton had gone after bumpstocks, there would've not been a chorus of GOP voices expressing their outrage. With Trump however, it was just crickets.

I think you overestimate the presence of vertebrae in the Republican congressional delegation. They couldn't even end Obamacare when they controlled all the levers of power and many had campaigned on just that issue. I expect that many of the Republican Lite variety from east coast states would comfortably vote for gun control if given a scenario where it would not affect their chance to retain their place at the trough. They are unfocused and too obsessed with their own vanity and prospects and cannot agree on what's good for the country because they haven't even discussed it in advance. That's why they will criticize Trump's attempts to solve problems as not good for the country but never come up with their own ideas for solutions.

Good thing there aren't people cut from that cloth here on INGO

 

[ArcadiaGP]

...and needs to be removed from office

...you're willing to discuss just how bad he is and how soon he needs to be removed

I don't think anyone here thinks he should be removed... Why is criticism seen as such an awful thing? This is a discussion forum, a place to have such discussions. You've even criticized things he's done in the past.

I don't want to make anyone agree with me, necessarily, about my criticisms. Sometimes I do look for acknowledgement from certain others that refuse to acknowledge them... but that's more for the black-and-white crowd.


[SUB]this post was written in blackwatch plaid[/SUB]

 

[Ggreen]

The problem is that the 'conversation' you and the other Trump criticism opportunists are looking for is like the 'conversation' that gun control/confiscationists want - where we agree in advance that Trump is an awful meany who embarrasses all right thinking individuals and needs to be removed from office

From that starting point, you're willing to discuss just how bad he is and how soon he needs to be removed

Not happening. BTDT

Evil should be criticized, no matter what letter they get beside their name. Stomping on freedom is the most evil thing an American leader can do.

 

[BugI02]

Well there's that and then there is the fact that the supposedly valiant Republicans rarely manage to stop anything. They didn't stop Obamacare when the majority of the country was against it. They didn't have the fortitude to even attempt to hold Obama's administration accountable for their many misdeeds. Yet these same Republicans were somehow going to find a spine and stop Hillary from getting gun control legislation passed. Just like they stopped Slick Willie's Assault Weapon ban. What kind of delusional fantasy is that?

Hear! Hear!

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Evil should be criticized, no matter what letter they get beside their name. Stomping on freedom is the most evil thing an American leader can do.

It always plays out like this:

"Hm, Trump did something bad guys. I hope this plays out right."

Predictably, the next response:

"OK but Hitlery is worse... who else is there... do you have someone better?"

It's a conversation-ender, it's designed to do so, questions designed to derail the discussion. Obviously Hillary is worse. Obviously Trump is already President and there's nothing else that can be done.

It's getting tiresome, as though the discussion isn't even worth having.

 

[Kutnupe14]

There has been nothing done that needed congressional approval. So our valiant Repubs wouldn’t have stood up and stopped the other team either. They may have stomped their foot and whined more, but that would have been it. That is why crap like this ATF rule should be unconstitutional.

The democrats attempted several gun control measures while Obama was in office. The GOP prevented them. I'm not so sure, that they would be nearly as vocal with the president's incremental encroachments on the 2A.

 

[BugI02]

Evil should be criticized, no matter what letter they get beside their name. Stomping on freedom is the most evil thing an American leader can do.

If you find potentially further regulating already heavily regulated suppressors to be evil, you lost that war in 1934. As I've mentioned before, we need to rebrand suppressors as mufflers or noise suppressors to have any hope of overcoming their current reputation as the province of criminals and assassins

Have you seen any pictures of the Virginia Beach shooter's captured/confiscated firearms? Neither have I, and I've looked for them extensively. Have you seen any mention of the even more in depth background checks done on an individual before he can legally buy a suppressor and that this guy passed them? Neither have I. We don't even, at this point, know if the suppressor exists (could it be a mistaken identification of a compensator) or if it was not a legal one but home made. Whenever information is not released in a timely manner, I suspect that the story is being shaped in some way. But you need a cogent counter rationale for why people should and do have access to suppressors. Just going with 'muh freedoms' isn't going to cut it here because regulations already exist and need only be tightened (much like bumpstocks) no new legislation to be written or voted on

When it comes to insidious evil, I find the closing of the last domestic lead smelter by Obama to be of potentially much more far reaching effect. The supply of wheel weights and sash counterweights is not endless and you don't have to control firearms if you can control ammo

 

[PaulF]

It always plays out like this:

"Hm, Trump did something bad guys. I hope this plays out right."

Predictably, the next response:

"OK but Hitlery is worse... who else is there... do you have someone better?"

It's a conversation-ender, it's designed to do so, questions designed to derail the discussion. Obviously Hillary is worse. Obviously Trump is already President and there's nothing else that can be done.

It's getting tiresome, as though the discussion isn't even worth having.

Yup.

Powerful men need to be held accountable...whether they're "our" guy or not.

Messing with our constitutionally-protected rights should be a third-rail for every politician... *especially* those we ourselves support.

The world is watching. Letting Trump slide every time he paints gun owners in a negative light isn't helping us. Rather, it makes gun ownership and 2a support look like just another bargaining chip for our political class to play with. If we don't hold our own politicians' feet to the fire when they betray us, our opponents will feel emboldened to try the same.

I don't want Trump impeached, I want him replaced with a public servant...if only I had the opportunity to vote for one.

 

[BugI02]

It always plays out like this:

"Hm, Trump did something bad guys. I hope this plays out right."

Predictably, the next response:

"OK but Hitlery is worse... who else is there... do you have someone better?"

It's a conversation-ender, it's designed to do so, questions designed to derail the discussion. Obviously Hillary is worse. Obviously Trump is already President and there's nothing else that can be done.

It's getting tiresome, as though the discussion isn't even worth having.

Just stop. Sit back and think, really think about the 'discussion' you're trying to have

Try an experiment. Every time the Pope does something ****ty, start a new thread to discuss how ****ty it was and see how that plays out. Maybe it's not just a Trump thing

 

[Expat]

The democrats attempted several gun control measures while Obama was in office. The GOP prevented them. I'm not so sure, that they would be nearly as vocal with the president's incremental encroachments on the 2A.

But they tried to do it lawfully by passing a law in congress. As long as the GOP holds one house, they can prevent that. It is harder to do anything when the chief executive does it by his phone and pen. Just like Obama knew that the Dreamer thing was unlawful and clearly stated as such several times before he went ahead and did it anyway by EO. What Trump did on bump stocks was, in my opinion, unlawful, just like the dreamer EO.

 

[Ggreen]

If you find potentially further regulating already heavily regulated suppressors to be evil, you lost that war in 1934. As I've mentioned before, we need to rebrand suppressors as mufflers or noise suppressors to have any hope of overcoming their current reputation as the province of criminals and assassins

Have you seen any pictures of the Virginia Beach shooter's captured/confiscated firearms? Neither have I, and I've looked for them extensively. Have you seen any mention of the even more in depth background checks done on an individual before he can legally buy a suppressor and that this guy passed them? Neither have I. We don't even, at this point, know if the suppressor exists (could it be a mistaken identification of a compensator) or if it was not a legal one but home made. Whenever information is not released in a timely manner, I suspect that the story is being shaped in some way. But you need a cogent counter rationale for why people should and do have access to suppressors. Just going with 'muh freedoms' isn't going to cut it here because regulations already exist and need only be tightened (much like bumpstocks) no new legislation to be written or voted on

When it comes to insidious evil, I find the closing of the last domestic lead smelter by Obama to be of potentially much more far reaching effect. The supply of wheel weights and sash counterweights is not endless and you don't have to control firearms if you can control ammo

I'm not talking Obama. I'm talking trump actively seeking and destroying rights. His approval, whether of the cuff or knee-jerk, will give republican support to the new VA him control measures the governor introduced yesterday. Trump is as bad as Obama.

 

[MinutemanPatriot]

Trump has gone limp on 2A!

Originally Posted by Expat There has been nothing done that needed congressional approval. So our valiant Repubs wouldn’t have stood up and stopped the other team either. They may have stomped their foot and whined more, but that would have been it. That is why crap like this ATF rule should be unconstitutional.

My observation: The BATfags are totally unconstitutional, so ANYTHING they say OR do is also unconstitutional!!!

The democrats attempted several gun control measures while Obama was in office. The GOP prevented them. I'm not so sure, that they would be nearly as vocal with the president's incremental encroachments on the 2A.

I'm not liking Trump anymore, in spite of all the economic good he's done for America. In ONE ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL METRIC, TRUMP IS FAILING MISERABLY!! One of his campaign promises was to defend the 2nd Amendment and American Rights and liberties without exception or compromise. Yet, Mr. Trump is going back on his promises with regards to the inalienable, God-given RIGHT to own, carry and use defensive tools - and the ability to defend one's self!!

So far, Donald Trump has advocated for the suspension of due process and the confiscation of Americans' firearms. He has directed the unconstitutional, tyrannical BATF to outlaw "bump stocks", a legal and approved firearm ACCESSORY (not even a firearm), by administratively reclassifying it - and most disturbingly - ANYTHING THAT CAN BE FITTED WITH A BUMP STOCK (think ALL semiauto guns!) as though they were actual machine guns. Damn the existing and settled law that defines machine guns as "firearms that fire more than one round with a single function of the trigger until the trigger is released"... which means that bump stocks, which DO NOT ALTER THE FUNCTION OF A SEMI-AUTO FIREARM, CANNOT UNDER THE LAW BE ASSUMED TO BE A 'MACHINE GUN' JUST BECAUSE THEY HELP THE USER FIRE RAPIDLY. In short, Mr. Trump has VIOLATED THE CONSTITUTION over one of the most vital bulwarks against TYRANNY that has ever been GUARANTEED BY THE CONSTITUTION and forbidden from government encroachment!!!!!!

Now, just because a CRIMINAL has CRIMINALLY MISUSED a firearm that ALLEGEDLY had a suppressor attached (and there is NO EVIDENCE that said suppressor was even legal in the first place), Donald Trump has done a 180-degree reversal. He has gone from supporting the deregulation of suppressors, which are needed to cut down on noise pollution from unsuppressed gunfire, to advocating (in violation of the 2nd Amendment) even tighter infringements against the lawful use of suppressors for protecting the hearing and health of people who routinely shoot guns (including cops and soldiers).

WHAT PART OF "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" DOES TRUMP & OTHER POLITICIANS NOT UNDERSTAND??!!!? The REAL fake news is that Mr. Trump ‘honors’ his OATH to the Constitution and obeys the Supreme Law of the Land. Over 100 million Americans own guns. About 10% are hardcore activists. Donald Trump won by a margin that is well within 5 million Americans. If he alienates over 11 million ACTIVIST gun owners, do you really think he will win again in 2020??!? IF YOU DO BELIEVE THAT, YOU MAY HAVE DRUNK THE KOOLAID TOO DEEPLY!!

10 million gun-owning American patriots - and possibly a lot more than that - are ready to wage WAR against the federal government in defense of basic God-given Rights! If Trump throws the 2020 election to Demorats by violating HIS oath to the Constitution, the Demonrats will use the occasion to abolish ALL liberty AND the Bill of Rights!! When that happens, the civil war WILL BEGIN. Not a threat, but a simple PREDICTION!!

IF YOU LOVE LIBERTY, CONTACT Mr. Trump and tell him that GUN RIGHTS CANNOT BE TAMPERED WITH WITHOUT DIRE CONSEQUENCES!!! Patriots don't care how popular a President of the USA might be, IF HE VIOLATES HIS OATH HE BECOMES A TRAITOR TO THE CONSTITUTION AND AN ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE.
Choose NOW whether you will stand for liberty or bend your knee to the tyrants who eagerly await to ENSLAVE YOU!

That being said, if Hitlery or any other Demonrat were POTUS, we would already be shooting. Only time will tell if we'll be shooting after 2020.

 

[Peacekeeper3073]

Give it a day or two and he will deny ever saying it.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Just stop. Sit back and think, really think about the 'discussion' you're trying to have

Try an experiment. Every time the Pope does something ****ty, start a new thread to discuss how ****ty it was and see how that plays out. Maybe it's not just a Trump thing

I don't do that, though. Maybe you're referring to the hardcore anti-Trump members here, and that's fine... but as everyone knows, I like to condense my content to appropriate threads.

I feel like only the negatives get noticed, and the positives slip through. We (collectively, all of us) talk in threads about when Trump does good things. There's never a stink about that... but once a criticism is thrown out, a few people get upset by it and do the loop above.

I know the people here that aren't going to criticize him. I'm not expecting them to have a reasonable conversation about goings-on with regards to our rights and whatnot (outside of "we gon' have a civil war if hitlery wins i tell you whut"). But I know there are people here that are deeper than that, capable and willing to acknowledge when our "leaders" do not-so-good things.

And maybe it isn't worth talking about. Just like pointing out the good stuff. In the end, nothing is really accomplished by it. We're just nobodies talking on a forum. We aren't going to fix anything outside of our rare organization for rallies and things like that.

So... yes.... nothing is solved by criticizing him... as much as nothing is solved by praising him. It's probably just best to consider it a way to spend the day talking about subjects we're similarly interested in. Or argue, like Jamil likes to do.

I like Trump. I guarantee you, every survey I take, I give positive responses. I just want him to do better on things he obviously doesn't understand to the extent we do.

Edit: Maybe we should all practice the "compliment sandwich" method!

Trump wears nice suits.
I don't like what he says about suppressors...
His hair looked well-coiffed today.

 

[KG1]

If you find potentially further regulating already heavily regulated suppressors to be evil, you lost that war in 1934. As I've mentioned before, we need to rebrand suppressors as mufflers or noise suppressors to have any hope of overcoming their current reputation as the province of criminals and assassins

Have you seen any pictures of the Virginia Beach shooter's captured/confiscated firearms? Neither have I, and I've looked for them extensively. Have you seen any mention of the even more in depth background checks done on an individual before he can legally buy a suppressor and that this guy passed them? Neither have I. We don't even, at this point, know if the suppressor exists (could it be a mistaken identification of a compensator) or if it was not a legal one but home made. Whenever information is not released in a timely manner, I suspect that the story is being shaped in some way. But you need a cogent counter rationale for why people should and do have access to suppressors. Just going with 'muh freedoms' isn't going to cut it here because regulations already exist and need only be tightened (much like bumpstocks) no new legislation to be written or voted on

When it comes to insidious evil, I find the closing of the last domestic lead smelter by Obama to be of potentially much more far reaching effect. The supply of wheel weights and sash counterweights is not endless and you don't have to control firearms if you can control ammo

I’ve not seen anything definitive about this supposed “suppressor” either. Was there really even an actual one involved? is the question Trump should’ve posed in response to the media.

That’s why I think Trump fell into a potentially false media narrative by giving them a sound bite they were obviously trolling for to run with when all the facts haven’t even to this day been properly established yet.