Thoughts on the trade bill pending

[yournamehere]

I am curious about the thoughts of others about this power grab as I see it. WTF has this world come to when the majority of the republicans which Im sure include dirty dan coats support this AND the liberals including the lowest of the low like Pelosi oppose it.

This isn't dogs sleeping with cats its more like ISIS going to take communion and the pope beheading a pregnant virgin.

 

[DeadeyeChrista'sdad]

Follow the dollars. This would make it easier for the Republicans to move more of our jobs offshore and import pac rim goods without tariffs on our end. You didn't really think either party was actually interested in AMERICA'S best interests, did you? They're just septic tank dirty in slightly offset areas.

 

[yournamehere]

Follow the dollars. This would make it easier for the Republicans to move more of our jobs offshore and import pac rim goods without tariffs on our end. You didn't really think either party was actually interested in AMERICA'S best interests, did you? They're just septic tank dirty in slightly offset areas.

Oh I agree. Ryan just got **** caned from any chance of my vote but really I already decided that at THIS point Rand is my only vote or someone from the tea party.

I have never seen this bad of a blatant example of a Dutch Rudder between the pretend republicans and the overt socialists.

 

[Twangbanger]

Rush Limbaugh said it best - the Chamber of Commerce is running the Republican Party these days.

 

[Leadeye]

So much of it is kept secret it's hard to form an opinion, but I would imagine it's just like nafta, pay to play in dc.

 

[Jomibe]

 

[BugI02]

Giant sucking sound? Check.

 

[IndyDave1776]

It seems pretty straightforward to me:

1. First and foremost if it were such a good thing, there would be no need for the secrecy.
2. From what has leaked, it would grant the president (i.e., Obama for the next two years) incredible amounts of power through both the initial text of the treaty and the power to unilaterally accept changes at a later date in the sense of a deliberately crafted 'living document' over which there would be no congressional oversight whatsoever after the initial vote.
3. Again, from what I understand of the leaks, it would apply international trade to most anything in the same general way the Wickard v. Filburn decision expanded the Interstate Commerce Clause to include federal authority over most anything that could have even the most tangential effect on interstate commerce (i.e., even if Filburn's wheat never left his farm, it *could* offset the sale of wheat he otherwise would have to have purchased, which *could* have come from another state, hence making it interstate commerce without ever leaving the farm).
4. This could be used as a backdoor into all kinds of power grabs. I have already heard talk of trying to stifle internet communication on the manufacture and use of weapons since the internet can be accessed anywhere in the world, making this, you guessed it, international trade.

The net result is that this collection of treason in secret documents could well contain everything necessary to pull the lever on the authoritarian state that our enemies in Washington have been building piecemeal for a very long time.

 

[amboy49]

I have been trying to follow this from the "progressive" side. They are basically condemning the proposals but don't really criticize Obama for wanting it passed. I don't understand why the Republicans are promoting it - ?

The whole thing from a Republican/Democrat seems bassackwards. The unions are against it. Bernie Sanders is against it. Hillary hasn't said one way or the other. Most of the Republican candidates are still pretty tight lighted about it.

I feel like like I'm reading a new chapter from Alice in Womderland !

 

[IndyDave1776]

I have been trying to follow this from the "progressive" side. They are basically condemning the proposals but don't really criticize Obama for wanting it passed. I don't understand why the Republicans are promoting it - ?

The whole thing from a Republican/Democrat seems bassackwards. The unions are against it. Bernie Sanders is against it. Hillary hasn't said one way or the other. Most of the Republican candidates are still pretty tight lighted about it.

I feel like like I'm reading a new chapter from Alice in Womderland !

Let me offer a different perspective that will make it seem more rational and less Lewis Caroll:

Republicans depend on people like us to vote for them, so (the establishment examples, not the few who truly believe what they say) they will tell us how they support individual liberty, the Constitution, the Second Amendment, smaller government, lower taxes, and so forth. In reality, they do what their owners tell them to do, which is to expand government as a tool of control and manipulate the law to favor a very few (i.e., the politicians' owners) at the expense of everyone else.

Democrats depend on people who like freebies, a nanny state to absolve them of personal responsibility, redistribution, and a world free of danger of any kind (and willing to settle for a poor facsimile of this because it is about feeling and not results, so they don't really care that gun control doesn't work, just that it makes them feel safer, even if a complete illusion), all working toward a marxist workers' paradise. In reality, they do what their owners tell them to do, which is to expand government as a tool of control and manipulate the law to favor a very few (i.e., the politicians' owners) at the expense of everyone else.

All said and done, the only significant differences are the level of brazenness applied and picking a different set of individual winners and losers although those alternating winners and losers come from the same general aggregate of people. Case in point, the biggest difference between Soros and the Koch Brothers is that Soros wants to control my life and yours where the Koch Brothers want to gain what they want to gain with relative indifference toward us, but still need bigger government in spite of supporting politicians who make claims to the contrary, lest we be able to interfere.

In this specific case, the problem causing the apparent insanity is that the Democrats in congress are faced with the problem of alienating one of their biggest secure voting bases in the form of organized labor if they support a treaty which is virtually guaranteed to be injurious to the US economy, and the highest-paid jobs are the most vulnerable. Recall that the treaty, as leaked, would allow the president virtually sole discretion on the importation of people which would first and foremost threaten union construction and shortly thereafter threaten more sedentary and permanent higher-paying jobs. After ObamaCare, the Democrats learned that the only thing that blindly following Obama will get you is tire tracks up your back from getting thrown under the bus.

 

[BugI02]

I do miss the little guy