The 2017 General Salma Hayek discussion thread...Part 3!!!

[Kutnupe14]

I doubt we got Trump because of the Russians. Unless the Russians were somehow responsible for Hillary’s nomination. Or maybe Hillary is actually a Russian!

There are those in that were in the Trump administration that think the Russian helped, no?

 

[jamil]

We got Trump because Hillary was the other choice. There’s no denying that. The DNC emails, exposing the truth about how the DNC worked to ensure Hillary’s nomination, probably helped. That pissed off a lot of Bernie Bros. But ultimately Hillary lost it.

 

[Brad69]

Has anyone mentioned the unemployment rate or anything related to the economy?
If President BHO was in office the MSM would be singing his praises night and day.
President Trump is a Nationalist not a liberal or conservative nor a Republican.
The country has been waiting for a Nationalist for many years the establishment both left and right are doing everything they can to stop the Nationalists. President Trump was elected for being different and telling everyone he was a threat to the establishment.
The Nationalist movement must be stopped at all cost it’s a threat to the military industrial complex, the health care mega industrial complex, the Government welfare system ect.
The Establishment will stop at nothing to see the Nationalist movement end and go back to two Party that is really only one party rule.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Has anyone mentioned the unemployment rate or anything related to the economy?
If President BHO was in office the MSM would be singing his praises night and day.
President Trump is a Nationalist not a liberal or conservative nor a Republican.
The country has been waiting for a Nationalist for many years the establishment both left and right are doing everything they can to stop the Nationalists. President Trump was elected for being different and telling everyone he was a threat to the establishment.
The Nationalist movement must be stopped at all cost it’s a threat to the military industrial complex, the health care mega industrial complex, the Government welfare system ect.
The Establishment will stop at nothing to see the Nationalist movement end and go back to two Party that is really only one party rule.

Not so fast Brad. Nationalist have never been a threat to the MIC, they've always... and I mean always been its biggest proponents.
Nationalism, traditionally is divisive, and not viewed very favorably... main because the views of Nationalist, often only encompass their articular beliefs and vision of a nation, with the total rejection of all others.
You are right though, President Trump is a nationalist.

 

[KLB]

There are those in that were in the Trump administration that think the Russian helped, no?

Can you point to the thing(s) that the Russians did that gave Trump the election?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Can you point to the thing(s) that the Russians did that gave Trump the election?

Nope.... I didn't say the Russians helped Trump win the election. It was one of Trump's people that said the election was "thrown" to Trump because of the Russians. I'm not privy to her reasoning, but I suspect that Mueller has added her to his interview list.

But, I'm still waiting on Trump to:
-implement the Russian sanctions congress instructed him to enact
-criticize Russian provocations of the US military
-criticize Putin
-demand that Russia leave the Ukraine
-condemn Russian involvement with Syria, N. Korea, and Iran
-explain why people associated with him keep lying about Russia

 

[Brad69]

The MIC is full of political hacks and lobbyists for certain weapons systems that often the military does not want or need.
President Trump scares that part of the MIC not the part that gives us weapons we want and need.

American “Nationalist” are slightly different it’s America first you can’t really reject others because of the diversity of the country but.
The rejection of immigration is at a fever pitch the call for assimilation of immigrants is all over Fox News.
So where we at as a nation?
I think much closer to 1890 than most would like to believe?

 

[KLB]

Nope.... I didn't say the Russians helped Trump win the election. It was one of Trump's people that said the election was "thrown" to Trump because of the Russians. I'm not privy to her reasoning, but I suspect that Mueller has added her to his interview list.

But, I'm still waiting on Trump to:
-implement the Russian sanctions congress instructed him to enact
-criticize Russian provocations of the US military
-criticize Putin
-demand that Russia leave the Ukraine
-condemn Russian involvement with Syria, N. Korea, and Iran
-explain why people associated with him keep lying about Russia

Those are valid criticisms. Why do you spend so much time on the investigation then?

 

[KLB]

The MIC is full of political hacks and lobbyists for certain weapons systems that often the military does not want or need.
President Trump scares that part of the MIC not the part that gives us weapons we want and need.

American “Nationalist” are slightly different it’s America first you can’t really reject others because of the diversity of the country but.
The rejection of immigration is at a fever pitch the call for assimilation of immigrants is all over Fox News.
So where we at as a nation?
I think much closer to 1890 than most would like to believe?

Rejection of immigration or illegal immigration?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Those are valid criticisms. Why do you spend so much time on the investigation then?

It's history unfolding before our eyes. I probably won't see another spectacle like this in my lifetime.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Here is liberal icon, Harvard Law Professor Emeritus, Alan Dershowitz' take on the Flynn plea agreement. Short answer, it shows the investigation has fizzled. I agree... no crimes related to the election have been uncovered or even hinted at. If there is a bombshell in there somewhere, Mueller is keeping it close to his vest.

Alan Dershowitz: Why did Flynn lie and why did Mueller charge him with lying? | Fox News

My own opinion, not in the piece, is that his current fishing trip into Trump's bank accounts is him just begging to be matyred (fired) because he has bunk on Trump. And, unless he has Russian probable cause to go looking at them, no doubt to leak and embarass the President, then he SHOULD be fired.

 

[indiucky]

It's history unfolding before our eyes. I probably won't see another spectacle like this in my lifetime.

You're selling yourself short Kut....I thought the same thing about the Monica's dress and the "$100 bill through a trailer park" comment.....Now it's daily...We are Americans.....We thrive on spectacle.......

 

[BugI02]

It's history unfolding before our eyes. I probably won't see another spectacle like this in my lifetime.

Well, there's always Trump's second term to lend you hope

 

[ghitch75]

more bias........


Mueller deputy praised DOJ official after she defied Trump travel ban order: 'I am so proud' | Fox News

 

[ghitch75]

some more on it......

Gregg Jarrett: How an FBI official with a political agenda corrupted both Mueller, Comey investigations | Fox News

 

[Phase2]

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/282605

Did the prosecution tell Flynn’s lawyer that their main witness against him was removed for bias? Since Strzok led the interview and his testimony would be needed to establish untruthfulness, he is a critical witness not just a prosecutor. If not disclosed, would this not be a Giglio violation? This is the kind of misconduct that can get a case dismissed and a lawyer disbarred. It is a Constitutional violation.

 

[Fargo]

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/282605

Strzok isn't a prosecutor, he is an investigator, which makes me question the "judge/prosecutor" credentials of the unnamed author. Additionally, we are talking about negotiations pre-charging/indictment, I am really doubtful there would be a Brady/Giglio violation under that scenario.

Federal discovery rules are pretty lax as regards timeliness even post-charging, never mind pre.

 

[ghitch75]

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/282605

i know nothing about this kind of law....i wonder if there is anything to it?

 

[ghitch75]

DOJ to hand over official's anti-Trump texts, amid contempt threat | Fox News

 

[PaulF]

I found this on reddit, what does INGO think?

President Trump said the red line would be drawn at Special Counsel Mueller looking into the Trump Empire's finances. Why you may ask? The entire family is involved in laundering money.

We recently found out that Trump's first international venture in Panama City is a hub for laundering money.[SUP][1][/SUP] He handed the business dealings over to Ivanka Trump, and although many properties were bought the entire area is almost a ghost town.[SUP][2][/SUP] Closed down restaurants, the tower stands dark as very few people live in the properties. Turns out the owners hail from various colourful backgrounds including Russian gangsters, drug cartels, and people smugglers.[SUP][3][/SUP]
Rachel Maddow did a wonderful piece about a Trump Tower project in Azerbaijan.[SUP][4][/SUP] In it Ivanka Trump takes a video promoting her family's building, but it turns out she wasn't filming at the Trump property as it was built in a terrible, rundown location and was used to launder money.
The Trump organization has been laundering money for a very long time. Here are a few examples from The New Yorker including his Taj Mahal Casino, projects in India, Uruguay, Georgia, Indonesia, the Philipines, and China.[SUP][5][/SUP]
I would like to point out that Christopher Steele has stated that Trump's hotel and land deals with Russians need to be examined.[SUP][6][/SUP]
Read what Felix Sater, a Russian bussiness associate of the President, offered President Trump's personal lawyer Michael Cohen. Felix Sater admits to working with the Kremlin under the guise of building the Trump Moscow Tower to help get Trump elected. Both the New York Times[SUP][7][/SUP] and the Washington Post[SUP][8][/SUP] corroborate this story.

“Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it,” Mr. Sater wrote in an email. “I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”
“I will get Putin on this program and we will get Donald elected,” Mr. Sater wrote.
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Back in the 90s Felix Sater was caught up in a massive stock scam and flipped on mob families in New York. Guess who flipped him? He's on Special Counsel Mueller's team - Andrew Weissmann.[SUP][9][/SUP]
Felix Sater attended Trump's invite-only victory party to celebrate his presidential victory.[SUP][10][/SUP] Although Trump has tried to distance himself from Sater due to his colourful past, I find it very peculiar that he was allowed into an invite-only event at the Midtown Hilton. Moreover, in July of 2016 we know he attended a secret meeting at Trump Tower, no one knows what was discussed.[SUP][11][/SUP] We know Felix Sater has been ready to work with Special Counsel Mueller's team.[SUP][12][/SUP] Paul Wood, World Affairs correspondent for the BBC, wrote the original article for The Spectator.[SUP][13][/SUP]
Here's another example to illustrate my point. Russian Oligarch Rybolovlev bought a Trump property in Palm Beach for $100 million, making it the most expensive property in America. Here's the kicker - after buying it Rybolovlev tore it down even though he had just paid $60 million over market price.[SUP][14][/SUP]

That was a bland, if fairly accurate, summary of a wild and goofy tale of the Palm Beach real-estate market involving tax fraud, Russian billionaires, lurid divorce-court accusations and — at least in the opinion of some Palm Beach observers — the execrably vulgar taste of the super-rich.
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Where this becomes even more peculiar is that the Russian oligarch's private yacht and plane were in the same vicinity as Trump or his associates during the campaign on several separate occasions.[SUP][15][/SUP] For example, Rybolovlev's plane landed in North Carolina 2 hours before Trump made his stop there for a campaign rally.[SUP][16][/SUP] Rybolovlev's yacht was in Croatia last summer where Ivanka and Kushner were vacationing. Back in March while Rybolovlev's yacht was anchored in the British Virgin Islands, Robert Mercer's yacht was anchored next to it.[SUP][17][/SUP] Mercer[SUP][18][/SUP] being Trump’s biggest financial supporter and Breitbart moneyman. [SUP][19][/SUP]

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1) NBC - A Panama tower carries Trump’s name and ties to organized crime
2) Global Witness - Narco-A-Lago: Money Laundering At The Trump Ocean Club Panama
3) The Guardian - Trump's Panama tower used for money laundering by condo owners, reports say
4) Sketchy Donald Trump Deal Eyed For Ties To Iran | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC
5) The New Yorker - Donald Trump’s Worst Deal: The President helped build a hotel in Azerbaijan that appears to be a corrupt operation engineered by oligarchs tied to Iran’s Revolutionary Guard
6) Business Insider - 'Dossier' author Christopher Steele: Trump's hotel and land deals with Russians need to be examined
7) New York Times - Trump Associate Boasted That Moscow Business Deal ‘Will Get Donald Elected’
8) The Washington Post - Trump’s company had more contact with Russia during campaign, according to documents turned over to investigators
9) Slate - An Intriguing Link Between the Mueller Investigation, Trump, and Alleged Money Laundering
10) GQ - Inside Donald Trump's Election Night War Room
11) Politico - Trump’s mob-linked ex-associate gives $5,400 to campaign
12) Raw Story - Longtime Trump business partner ‘told family he knows he and POTUS are going to prison’: report
13) The Spectator - Forget Charlottesville - Russia Is Still The True Trump's True Scandal
14) McClatchy - Donald Trump and the mansion that no one wanted. Then came a Russian fertilizer king
15) New York Times - Tracking the Yachts and Jets of the Mega-Rich
16) McClatchy - Trump, Russian billionaire say they’ve never met, but their jets did — in Charlotte
17) Palm Beach Report - Yachts of Trump financial backer, Russian oligarch seen close together
18) The Daily Beast - Russia Probe Now Investigating Cambridge Analytica, Trump’s ‘Psychographic’ Data Guru
19) The Guardian - Robert Mercer invested offshore dark money to sink Clinton. He must be delighted

Maybe this is all fake news, coordinated to make Trump appear like he might be mixed up with Russian money laundering. Maybe.

Maybe not. I am now a bit curious if this really is the track Mueller is following.

Money laundering certainly falls under "High crimes and Misdemeanors". IF it turns out there is fire below this smoke...what would INGO's reaction be?