The 2017 General Salma Hayek discussion thread...Part 3!!!

[Kutnupe14]

are they a bunch of incompetents? Because the country is freaking blazing ahead under their leadership

Based on what specific actions by this administration?

 

[jamil]

I think most people have a pretty good idea what's up, but will be in denial until the bitter end.

There may be some there there. But from where I sit, you're the one who is the wistful thinker. You can almost taste the righteous indignation.

 

[jamil]

Race card... out of the blue? Nope, not going there.

Well. My recollection isn't what it used to be. Maybe some others remember as well. But I recall some stuff where you got pretty edgy when people dissed Obama.

 

[Woobie]

Ok, you don't have an opinion.

I really and truly don't about Trump. They've had a long time to produce evidence. But then again, it's a complicated issue, and the wheels of justice grind slowly sometimes. But I'm not hoping he is innocent or guilty, which some folks in here clearly do. I won't be surprised either way. If he's guilty, give him the maximum sentence allowed by law. But if they can't get this train moving in the next couple of years, we should probably leave it alone until some evidence surfaces.

Same goes for these sexual abuse claims. I'm not married to Moore, Conyers or any of these other alleged perverts. If they did commit the crime, hang 'em (figuratively). If they didn't, stop making political hay with nonsense. But either way it turns out, I won't be surprised. Nor will I be sorry, other than for their victims if the claims are true.

I know you want this to happen, but cool your jets until something tangible comes to light. You look desperate.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Well. My recollection isn't what it used to be. Maybe some others remember as well. But I recall some stuff where you got pretty edgy when people dissed Obama.

"edgy?" No, I pushed back over nonsense. I totally accepted any legitimate criticism, but not so much the beliefs that the was a Kenyan, Muslim, Terrorist, etc, etc.

 

[jamil]

Based on what specific actions by this administration?

I don't think this administration has a lot of, or really any legislative accomplishments. But as far as what it has accomplished, I think the scrapping of regulations has helped a lot. I think the tax changes that now look like they might get passed, while not ideal, are a good start. The decrease in illegal immigration could be attributed to this administration. That's a positive thing.

While I wouldn't say everything is positive, I'll say the things that are positive, and the things that are negative. Most of the policy changes between this and the last administration make things better. The tweets and rude behavior, obviously NOT better. The way the world views us, I'd say, aren't all that much better. I think people around the world don't respect Trump, and he bears a lot of the blame for that, and the media bears some blame for that.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I don't think this administration has a lot of, or really any legislative accomplishments. But as far as what it has accomplished, I think the scrapping of regulations has helped a lot. I think the tax changes that now look like they might get passed, while not ideal, are a good start. The decrease in illegal immigration could be attributed to this administration. That's a positive thing.

While I wouldn't say everything is positive, I'll say the things that are positive, and the things that are negative. Most of the policy changes between this and the last administration make things better. The tweets and rude behavior, obviously NOT better. The way the world views us, I'd say, aren't all that much better. I think people around the world don't respect Trump, and he bears a lot of the blame for that, and the media bears some blame for that.

Ok, you gotta fill me in on the logic of tax plan that gives permanent tax breaks to companies, increases the debt by $1 trillion, with a massive transfer of wealth from the middle class to upper class. And if benchmarks aren't met, it will actually raise taxes on the public. How is that a good start?

 

[jamil]

"edgy?" No, I pushed back over nonsense. I totally accepted any legitimate criticism, but not so much the beliefs that the was a Kenyan, Muslim, Terrorist, etc, etc.

No. I completely agree about that. Not a Kenyan. Not a Muslim (probably more like an Atheist like his dad), not a terrorist, though because of his fondness for Islam, he had a hard time calling it when it's clearly terrorism from Islamic extremists.

But. What I recall is specifically about people calling Obama incompetent.

 

[jamil]

Ok, you gotta fill me in on the logic of tax plan that gives permanent tax breaks to companies, increases the debt by $1 trillion, with a massive transfer of wealth from the middle class to upper class. And if benchmarks aren't met, it will actually raise taxes on the public. How is that a good start?

Permanent tax breaks to companies. You want business done in this country, then make it more attractive for businesses to do it here.

Increasing the debt. Well. Let's stop taking people's money away from them first. Then let's adjust what we spend to better match what we take.

If you think it's a massive transfer of wealth to the middle class then you're obviously indoctrinated by socialists. That's ridiculous. It's not a zero sum game. Taxes aren't being raised on the middle class. Pretty much everyone is getting a tax break. The people who aren't getting tax breaks are mostly people in states that have very high state rates, the burden of which will no longer be transferred to those paying federal taxes in states who don't tax the **** out of their people.

Yes. That's a good start. You should probably consume news from places other than CNN. They're filling people's heads full of

 

[Kutnupe14]

No. I completely agree about that. Not a Kenyan. Not a Muslim (probably more like an Atheist like his dad), not a terrorist, though because of his fondness for Islam, he had a hard time calling it when it's clearly terrorism from Islamic extremists.

But. What I recall is specifically about people calling Obama incompetent.

Well, you know I have issues with your recollection. Concerning my posting history, it has failed you more times than not.

 

[Woobie]

Ok, you gotta fill me in on the logic of tax plan that gives permanent tax breaks to companies, increases the debt by $1 trillion, with a massive transfer of wealth from the middle class to upper class. And if benchmarks aren't met, it will actually raise taxes on the public. How is that a good start?

Lol. I need to hear the logic that doesn't reduce the corporate tax rate. The revenue from corporate taxes will be reduced in the next few years, one way or another. That can not be stopped. Would you rather that be because the companies have left America, or that they are here and have more money to distribute to shareholders, their suppliers and/or employees?

 

[jamil]

Well, you know I have issues with your recollection. Concerning my posting history, it has failed you more times than not.

That may be perception. Saying more times than not? I think I'd have to ask you to prove that. I don't care to search through your post history, but perhaps if someone else recalls the same thing, they can speak up. Either way...

 

[Woobie]

That may be perception. Saying more times than not? I think I'd have to ask you to prove that. I don't care to search through your post history, but perhaps if someone else recalls the same thing, they can speak up. Either way...

No, he got defensive more than once over "incompetent" talk. But I didn't become a member here until 2014.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Flynn's Statement of Offense

"On or about December 22, 2016 a very senior member of the Presidential Transition Team directed Flynn to contract officials from foreign governments, including Russia, to learn where each government stood... and to influence those governments to delay or defeat the resolution."

-regarding UN vote on Israeli settlements.


^^^That's a problem when you're not in the sitting administration. Both for Flynn, and whomever directed him to do that.

 

[jamil]

Flynn's Statement of Offense

"On or about December 22, 2016 a very senior member of the Presidential Transition Team directed Flynn to contract officials from foreign governments, including Russia, to learn where each government stood... and to influence those governments to delay or defeat the resolution."

-regarding UN vote on Israeli settlements.


^^^That's a problem when you're not in the sitting administration. Both for Flynn, and whomever directed him to do that.

Yes. It is inappropriate for administrations elect to act on behalf of the government, because they're not the government yet.

But that's not collusion with Russians.

 

[Kutnupe14]

No, he got defensive more than once over "incompetent" talk. But I didn't become a member here until 2014.

No more often when you got upset whenever someone called George Bush a tyrant.

 

[Woobie]

I'll bet they contacted Great Britain and France too

 

[Kutnupe14]

Yes. It is inappropriate for administrations elect to act on behalf of the government, because they're not the government yet.

But that's not collusion with Russians.

Inappropriate? "Inappropriate" is using foul language around small children. I think there's another word you're failing to use.

 

[Woobie]

No more often when you got upset whenever someone called George Bush a tyrant.

When was that??? I myself have referred to him as a horrible president.


You really did get defensive quite a number of times, and it wasn't just when people were saying dumb stuff about BHO.

 

[jamil]

No more often when you got upset whenever someone called George Bush a tyrant.

Well. I don't know if I'd call GWB a tyrant. Crony, yes. Tyrant, not so much. Trump? Well. If he does what he spoke about in his highly authoritarian acceptance speech, he could be.

But anyway. Do you think Obama WASN'T incompetent?