Texas Strikes Again

[eldirector]

Is expulsion no longer an option in these schools?

In many localities, no. Some states/cities treat public education as a "right". Others still provide services even for expelled students (wouldn't want to cause hardship on their parent(s), you know), so there is no net gain.

Expulsion and suspension put the school at risk for legal issues as well. Parents are a tad sue-happy any more.

 

[ATOMonkey]

As I understand it, funding also comes into play. I know that IPS schools get XXXX dollars per kid that is enrolled.

 

[eldirector]

As I understand it, funding also comes into play. I know that IPS schools get XXXX dollars per kid that is enrolled.

Yeah, that too.

I'd rather pay by how many graduate with honors and either get a job or go to college.

Actually, I'd rather not pay at all....... now that you mention it.

 

[Westside]

Is expulsion no longer an option in these schools?

So, let's kick the kids out of school who don't want to be there in the first place and let them run around on the streets like it is summer break because their parents don't care.

 

[eldirector]

So, let's kick the kids out of school who don't want to be there in the first place and let them run around on the streets like it is summer break because their parents don't care.

Or, like Texas, we could toss 'em in Juvi until summer break!

Someone, somewhere needs to break the cycle. Until then, we will just keep swirling down the bowl.

 

[Westside]

Yeah, that too.

I'd rather pay by how many graduate with honors and either get a job or go to college.

Actually, I'd rather not pay at all....... now that you mention it.

performance based pay the unions would NEVER go for that.

 

[lrahm]

Cops aren't the answer and neither are courts. Schools in my area certainly seem to be able to discipline students without resorting to cops and courts. I'd be willing to bet it's the same in most areas of Indiana. Nothing's been removed from the discipline equation here and I somehow doubt that parents are that different here than in Texas. Looks to me like Texas decided that they'd use the force of their cops rather than address the problem in the schools. The schools seem to be the ones passing the buck, in this instance.

I agree, police officers here mainly patrol the high schools where more serious crimes happen than in the elemantary ones. Their responsibilities in the elementary schools are designated to the "officer friendly" program. I feel that the school system are too afraid of litigation so they rely on officers to take care of the problems. We also have more problem schools where off-duty officers are hired to patrol. Their abilities are still limited.

 

[RockofStrength]

When you begin with a broken system of education, further argument as to how to make it work seems futile to me. It was designed from the ground-up to separate children from parental influences so that they could be given the correct influences as determined by the great educators of the day. Now parents are finally giving all influence to the state and its educational system and that same system fails to function in any way without hamfisted action.

Working as intended, folks. Nothing to see here

 

[ATOMonkey]

So, let's kick the kids out of school who don't want to be there in the first place and let them run around on the streets like it is summer break because their parents don't care.

Sounds good to me.

Now, if we could roll back child labor laws, we could have them sewing soccer balls for $.50/ball, and not running around like savages.

Win-win-win.

Mom and dad get a baby sitter, which is all they really want, kids are occupied with something productive, and I get cheap soccer balls.

Boom! Winning.

 

[Westside]

Sounds good to me.

Now, if we could roll back child labor laws, we could have them sewing soccer balls for $.50/ball, and not running around like savages.

Win-win-win.

Mom and dad get a baby sitter, which is all they really want, kids are occupied with something productive, and I get cheap soccer balls.

Boom! Winning.

I can't argue with that logic. But something tells me society at large doesn't want soccer balls. They want American Baseballs.

 

[level.eleven]

When you begin with a broken system of education, further argument as to how to make it work seems futile to me. It was designed from the ground-up to separate children from parental influences so that they could be given the correct influences as determined by the great educators of the day. Now parents are finally giving all influence to the state and its educational system and that same system fails to function in any way without hamfisted action.

Working as intended, folks. Nothing to see here

The School to Prison Pipeline. Lots of factors go into the practice, and as noted, it usually occurs to people of color and a lower economic status. One of the interesting factors in the discussion is the effect of standardized testing and the "push out" phenomena. As noted in the article, 60% of Texas students 7th grade or older have been suspended or expelled. That is an insanely high number. At the heart of it is our old friend, Zero Tolerance.

http://www.aclu.org/racial-justice/school-prison-pipeline-talking-points

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2Kjq_qtRTE[/ame]

 

[ATOMonkey]

I can't argue with that logic. But something tells me society at large doesn't want soccer balls. They want American Baseballs.

I won't take jobs from the hard working people of Costa Rica!!

 

[88GT]

Yes, as a matter of fact I am a parent. And the schools in my area are maintaining discipline on a daily basis without sending kids to court or contacting the cops. It CAN be done and is done on a daily basis by people who are in control of their schools and doing their jobs in the proper manner.

You premise your argument on the assumption that because it can be done in one school system, it is equally applicable in all school systems. What you fail to take into account is the cultural, economic, societal, and political pressures that influence any given school system.

As a parent, you should know better than most that a single approach to anything doesn't work universally for all children. Why in the world would you expect it to work universally across all school systems?



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Is expulsion no longer an option in these schools?

Even if it is, it would be unacceptable to most parents anyway. Which is why government schools are resorting to LE to tackle the discipline problems. They can't get rid of the problems by forcibly removing them, and they can't take action against them in any way without parents crying foul. What else do they have left?

As I understand it, funding also comes into play. I know that IPS schools get XXXX dollars per kid that is enrolled.

All government schools get funding based on "seat day." (It's one of the reasons government schools make such a bloody fuss when a parent transfers his child to homeschool.) But it also affects graduation rates. And funding is dependent on those as well.

The government education system isn't about education at all anymore.

 

[rambone]

Fixing Socialism with Fascism

I see that the system is devolving into tyranny right on schedule.

Collectivist models inherently promote a system of total control over the subjects. Instead of getting rid of the Socialist School system, the progressive solution is to promote a Fascist discipline system.

The same recurring theme happens in other socialist systems. Take Socialist Medicine for example. Its a financial ponzi scheme so immediately it is set up as a system of mandatory forced participation. And when taxpayers are responsible for paying for everyone's illnesses, people start demanding fascist intervention into people's personal choices. Soon it becomes justified to ban/tax unhealthy beverages, lifestyles, foods, habits, whatever. And non-compliance ultimately results in government force.

A collectivist society will ultimately devolve itself into being told what to do at gunpoint. So buckle up komrades.

 

[rambone]

The one perk of sending your kids to penitentiaries is that they learn to lick boots from an early age -- as young as 5 years old, apparently. These institutionalized kids will have an easy time accepting their place in America. They'll be used to being punished by the state for saying naughty words, for drinking the wrong beverage, for being friends with the wrong person, for farting, for throwing trash in the wrong can, for dancing without permission, for throwing snowballs, for enrolling in the wrong school, for owning the wrong plant, for feeding the wrong birds, for putting up the wrong sign, for owning pets without permission, for extending the wrong finger, for sending the wrong text message, for filming the wrong person, for betting outside of free association zones, for catching rainwater without permission, and for growing too many vegetables.

Pictured: Inmates spending time in the Rec Yard.

 

[rambone]

 

[88GT]

I wish my rec yard had a fence that nice.

 

[88GT]

I vehemently disagree with this picture. Our school looks nothing like that.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

You can't take the actions of Dallas/FtWorth as a representation of what Texas is. In fact greater TX won't even admit dallas is part of their state. True about Perry though, he is a career politician and will change his views with the direction of the wind. He is a real piece of work that guy is...

 

[ThrottleJockey]

If you de-sensitize our children to this behavior, they think of it as being "normal" rather than being treated like a criminal and over the period of just one generation you can have a total police state.